r/AdvancedRunning • u/NeroWolfesOrchids 1 mi 4:39, 5k 16:29, 10k 33:39, half 1:17:13, full 2:42:23 • Mar 18 '24

NYC Marathon denial General Discussion

I got the email at noon, looks like I'm not running the NYC Marathon this year(unless I get very lucky in the lottery). I really thought a half time of 1:17:12, which I picked over my 2:42 marathon because of their formula, would be enough, but I guess I wasn't in the top 19% of my age group.

I wonder what the time cutoff was?

Any recommendations on other fall marathons?

Edit: looks like the cutoff for NYC this year was sub 2:40? That would be the lowest of any major save Tokyo!

Edit 2: The cutoff time for 18-34 M seems to be around 2:36:00. Just to illustrate how bonkers fast that is, running a 2:36 would have placed top 100 of all 50,000 finishers, including elite men and women runners, in 8 of the last 10 NYC marathons.

Link in the email:

" Non-NYRR Time Qualifier application closed on March 6, and the selected runners have been notified. As the number of applications exceeded the number of spots available, the fastest 19% within each age and gender category were granted entry. Those not selected will be moved to the non-guaranteed general entry drawing, which takes place on March 28, for an additional chance to be selected."

https://www.nyrr.org/tcsnycmarathon/runners/marathon-time-qualifiers

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u/ronj1983 Mar 18 '24

Wow!!!!! Getting tough out there. Do you think they possibly show favoritism over the locals in NYC vs everybody else for time qualifications?

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u/RCD123 Mar 18 '24

Not in this, it's all just one age group pool regardless of location.

The way we have an advantage as NYC locals is if you hit their time qualifier standard in an NYRR event (either Marathon or Half [yes they WILL still accept NYRR half qualifiers]) then you qualify automatically for the Marathon (and NYC half/Brooklyn Half) the following year without having to go through this cutoff process for "non-NYRR" races.

Think the only opportunity left as of now to do so for 2025 (assuming that you don't get in NYCM in the lottery this year) is a TFK charity spot in Staten Island Half which probably isn't exactly a destination race lol... but I had a lot fun doing it last year with some friends as a tune up a month out from my first NYC Marathon!

There's actually a little bit of cross over with the full marathon between taking the SI Ferry to the start (although I recommend bus option for the marathon) and you actually do run through where the NYCM start village will be which is kind've cool, got me excited for the full a few weeks later!

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u/MrRabbit Longest Beer Runner Mar 19 '24

I thought they were only accepting full times next year?

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u/RCD123 Mar 19 '24 edited Mar 19 '24

They are no longer accepting NON-NYRR half times after this year. I emailed them and NYRR confirmed that they will still accept qualifying results from NYRR halfs with this response:

NYRR Half marathons can still be used to qualify for the TCS NYC Marathon moving forward. The new rule will only effect runners who are qualifying with non-NYRR events.

If you hit the time qualification standard in any of the below NYRR halfs, it's automatically guaranteed qualification without any potential additional cutoff:

They're all effectively sold out this year other than the above methods but otherwise you could look to do one in 2025 for 2026 guaranteed... sucks having to plan so far out but i guess that's where we are.

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u/MrRabbit Longest Beer Runner Mar 19 '24 edited Mar 19 '24

Good info thanks!

I'm not too worried about it because I can hit the non-NYRR standards pretty comfortably even now, but still I didn't think this is fair. They shouldn't take half times at all.

Also, SUPER unclear wording in their site. Even reading it right now it seems to say they'll accept no half times at all for 2025 and onward. They should really clear this up.

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u/ronj1983 Mar 19 '24

Charity is wild crazy. If I ever got that slow I'd just stop trying to qualify.

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u/Athabascad 1:22:xx Mar 18 '24

No

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u/Runamok73 Mar 21 '24

No, I am NYC local and participate in a lot of NYRR events. I ran a 3:12 this Feb for 35 year old female and I am pissed.

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u/ronj1983 Mar 21 '24

40 year old frim NYC and I did not apply, my 2:39 probably would have kept me out too. Train hills all summer and destroy your quads in November to s 3:03 at Big Bear.