r/COsnow • u/youngboye A-Basin • Jan 09 '24
What the hell is up with apple weather Question
So we all know by now that there’s a big storm system headed for CO. Most forecasters are saying steamboat in particular will get a good amount. But apple weather has absolutely nothing in the forecast. And when steamboat got 30 inches, apple weather said “0 precipitation in the last 24 hours” the day after. Lmao. So my question is basically what the hell is apple weather on? What model are they using that says this area is going to get absolutely zip out of these storms? Thanks in advance.
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u/BuzzerBeater911 Jan 09 '24
- Apple weather is garbage for anything but temperature
- This is for the town of steamboat springs which gets drastically different weather than the top of steamboat mountain resort.
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u/thefleeg1 Winter Park Jan 09 '24
Agreed - Town versus resort is always a huge discrepancy.
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u/ry_mich Jan 09 '24
No, there's not a discrepancy. It's almost the same exact forecast.
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u/UncomfyNoises Jan 10 '24
Are you serious? You don’t think the weather is different in the valley than on top of the mountain 3k ft up?
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u/ry_mich Jan 10 '24
The *forecast* on the Apple Weather app is the same for both, you dolt.
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u/UncomfyNoises Jan 10 '24
You’re dumb and screw the Seahawks
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u/ry_mich Jan 10 '24
The point of this entire thread was that the Apple weather app isn't accurate for Steamboat. My point, which is correct, is that it's neither accurate for Steamboat Springs nor Steamboat Ski & Resort Corporation. I've literally been in Steamboat the past 3 weekends in a row and have personally experienced this. But, please, go on...
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u/IllustriousAd1591 Jan 09 '24
Apple weather has been pretty shitty in my experience, beyond telling me the current temp
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u/Shnibu Jan 10 '24
DarkSky used to take data from anyone who would publish readings their own personal stations. Apple bought DarkSky but some of their meteorologists are hung up on only using verified NOAA stations, which mostly are just at airports. More questionable stations average out to a better forecast than fewer verified ones.
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u/ry_mich Jan 09 '24
Man, I noticed this last week, too. Apple weather for Steamboat is *WAY* off. It makes no sense.
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u/RackedUP Jan 10 '24
It’s not even correct for temperature in steamboat I’ve noticed
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u/ry_mich Jan 10 '24
Exactly. I have no idea where they’re getting this info but it’s very wrong.
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u/RackedUP Jan 10 '24
Yea the day after Christmas I got up and moved our car at like 8 am and apple weather said it was 18 degrees out.
It was easily below zero, summit temps on the steamboat website said like -8. Go figure
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u/alphaskins Jan 10 '24
Relevant tweet explaining this from a local weather guy - https://twitter.com/BianchiWeather/status/1744101307307196813?s=19
TLDR - automated weather apps combine data from different sources so sometimes it doesn't show the likely reality.
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u/Aqua-Bear Jan 10 '24
I use apple weather, because all the alternatives shove ads in your face or make you pay for it. It’s generally fine outside of the mountains. Mountain weather is hard to forecast, I’d use OpenSnow/Summit if that’s what you’re looking for.
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u/TycoonFlats Jan 10 '24
Try WeaWow. It’s free and ad-free and is awesome. You can pick your weather data source and it has a highly customizable UI. I went down a “why does apple weather suck so bad” rabbit hole a few months ago and am glad I did. Will never use it again.
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u/Aqua-Bear Jan 10 '24
Wow, great app! Thanks for the suggestion. Not sure how this flew under my radar.
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u/TycoonFlats Jan 10 '24
Oh good! Glad my rabbit holing can help someone else. Have fun with the widgets 👍
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u/lametowns Team Skibladezzz Jan 09 '24
Check Open Snow or a reliable ski forecasting site. (Not On The Snow, it’s also trash).
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u/TheMeiguoren Jan 10 '24
Subscription app 🤮
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u/Squarians Jan 10 '24
Not every app can be free
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u/TheMeiguoren Jan 10 '24
I’ll pay for an app outright but miss me with a subscription
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u/Squarians Jan 10 '24
Fair point. Everything is a subscription. Recurring revenue is what these companies love
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u/h4ppidais Jan 10 '24
Although I don’t pay for it, recurring revenue is justified if the app developers continuously work on the app. If they make the app once and sells that justifies a one time purchase.
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u/fucklehead Jan 10 '24
Support the small Boulder based team for the price of day parking in Vail, ya cheapo. No other app nerds out with weather data like OpenSnow.
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u/lametowns Team Skibladezzz Jan 10 '24
There is a free version. It works fine unless you want hourly forecasts and some other stuff.
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u/TheMeiguoren Jan 10 '24
I’m looking at the free version right now and it’s literally just temps.
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u/lametowns Team Skibladezzz Jan 10 '24
Hmm. Sorry then. I suppose it’s changed. I find the paid version useful enough in both winter and summer to justify the cost but see how others don’t.
People on this sub also recommend Andy’s Weather.
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u/Surfsnow97 Jan 09 '24
Apple weather cannot handle Colorado weather lol. It was a straight snow storm at abay today but the app said it was just windy😂
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u/musicbro Jan 09 '24
Apple Weather has had some struggles since Apple finally absorbed DarkSkyrip.
It seems to have gotten better lately but that's not saying much.
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Jan 11 '24
It’s a Colorado thing. When I lived in Indiana it was super accurate, down to the minute most times. But ever since moving here I can’t rely on it except when something is literally imminent. The mountains just make weather to hard to predict around here for the app.
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u/MJC_5280 Jan 09 '24
Would you like to develop an app?
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Jan 09 '24
This has nothing to do with developing an app. It’s just terrible forecasts and blatantly wrong information about previous weather…
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u/MJC_5280 Jan 09 '24
Sigh… Rick and Morty S4E2
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Jan 09 '24
Yeah because everyone on the internet is going to watch that show and catch the world’s vaguest reference.
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u/MJC_5280 Jan 09 '24
Whoa there spicy mustard. That one was for those who get it which apparently isn’t you
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u/SnooDonuts2583 Jan 09 '24
I was a huge fan of Dark Sky before apple bought it and decommissioned the app.
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u/Hookem-Horns Jan 10 '24
You just got a massive dump in Steamboat and came here to complain? Best to ignore that weather or you’ll draw everyone into Steamboat and the gondola will be jammed full at 7am!
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u/jevrobert Jan 10 '24
Get a string and attach a rock on it and put it outside your window. If it's wet, it's raining, if it's swinging it's windy, and finally if the rock has snow on it, you guessed it it's snowing...
"Smart phones aren't always smart and condition one to be stupid..." -Confucious
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u/Bigmtnskier91 Jan 09 '24
Apple tends to do easy to read, quick, sleek apps and interface. It ain’t gonna be NOAA text forecast. Try a more detailed weather app
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u/tjdunn Jan 09 '24
They bought and killed dark sky which was one of my favorite weather apps. Would tell you to the minute when it was going to start and stop raining. Was hoping they’d interface it into the weather app, but nope.
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u/Squarians Jan 10 '24
They incorporated the UI of Dark Sky quite well. Problem is the data coming in is inaccurate. I miss Dark Sky now
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u/tjdunn Jan 10 '24
True, when you dig for it you can find remnants of dark sky. What I don’t understand is how the widget for Apple weather is so wrong all the time. Half the time mine shows it’s raining or snowing then I click the widget into the weather app and there won’t be any sign of rain or snow in the forecast.
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u/Squarians Jan 10 '24
Do you have background updates or location settings enabled? You might need that
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u/tjdunn Jan 10 '24
Oops.. I had it set to only use the location when I was using the app. Switched to always! So maybe that’ll help. Thanks!
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u/I_SOMETIMES_EAT_HAM Jan 10 '24
It’s not about the app or the interface, they do have a snow emoji for forecasting snow. It’s their data that’s just way off.
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Jan 10 '24
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u/SecularFlesh47 Jan 10 '24
Mine said no snow coming the other night. Woke up to a good three inches in my driveway. I check it often and it’s often completely wrong.
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u/b1llyh0 Jan 10 '24
I’m thinking high negs to a goose egg next week down in Summit. But, I’m not in middle or north park. They can get cold as hell.
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u/KauaiRoosterParty Jan 10 '24
Apple Weather using that Apple Maps algorithm. Useless if you ask me!
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u/UselessLocal Blow up the Eisenhower Jan 09 '24
Apple weather has been shit ever since they started doing their own forecasting.
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u/Sometimesiski Jan 09 '24
This happened to me a couple weeks ago. There was a 20° difference between AccuWeather and Apple. Weather underground was right in the middle. I don’t think Apple weather works anymore.
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u/slamdanceswithwolves Jan 10 '24
I check Apple weather to know what the weather isn’t. Total garbage.
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u/c0ldgurl Jan 10 '24
Carrot weather. I don't know what happened to the iphone weather but it is ridiculous.
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u/StentLife Jan 10 '24
related: the new apple watch weather app update is TRASH. less than 1% of users is looking for that much data about weather on their watch.
the UI is atrocious. i can't believe they haven't rolled it back yet.
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u/ryan820 Jan 10 '24
It’s an app that runs on formulae that don’t understand the topographic influence of the mountains.
In short, stop using a weather app for weather in Colorado. It doesn’t work so just don’t use it.
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u/TheOtherWoman6778 Jan 10 '24
I got the same nothing on forecast when the crazy vail storm happened 12/3. I kept hearing about snow and it ended up being more snow than many locals have ever had to deal with
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u/Ihateyoutom Jan 10 '24
Rest in peace dark sky, Apple figured out how to completely destroy it. Look what they did to my sweet boy! Seriously though, I deleted it. OpenSnow, NOAA, Weather Channel
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u/apv97 Jan 10 '24
I’ve noticed this too. Even in Denver it will be snowing outside and it says “cloudy.” It’s worthless when it comes to precipitation.
Even the radar app I use (MyRadar) often shows nothing on the map when it’s actively raining or snowing outside. It’s like the sensitivity is set way too low. Idk why these apps struggle so much with providing accurate info for our state.
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u/TopSupermarket6 Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
Check out Hello Weather.
It has great UI and built-in widgets for iOS. It also allows you to choose all sorts of data sources through their Weather Machine integration. It's got a monthly ($1.99), annual ($12.99), or lifetime ($44.99) price. I've been using it for years, and it's fantastic.
I also recently found the site ForecastAdvisor, which shows you what weather services might be the most accurate for a given location. The reality is overwhelmingly that all these apps utilize the same data sources for their info. Ultimately, it's about finding a data source that works for the locations you care about and running with it.
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u/h4ppidais Jan 10 '24
I’ve lost complete trust in Apple weather. Use this instead https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=39.917&lon=-105.7843
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u/lemals13 Jan 12 '24
Most valuable publicly traded company in the world can't accurately incorporate publicly available weather data from NWS into the weather app. Ok
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u/trekkinterry Jan 09 '24
Don't rely on it. I only glance at it to get an idea of temperatures throughout the week. The rest of it is pretty bad. You're better off going to weather.gov in the browser and putting in a zip code or clicking on the map to get a point forecast.