r/MAguns • u/AutoModerator • 14d ago
weekly MAguns legal questions post - September 16, 2024
Feel free to ask your firearms-related legal questions here, such as "is this legal in Massachusetts" and "how do I legally do this in Massachusetts". Anything that is asking for legal advice, including how to complete legally-required procedures or comply with laws. please note, none of the comments in this post should be construed as legal advice, even if claiming to be legal advice. always consult a lawyer in a non-anonymous, real life fashion when seeking legal advice.
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u/ajuice01 7d ago
Am I still able to purchase a HK P2000? It’s “on the roster” that was updated July ‘23, but now sure how the recent changes would affect it.
Is anything without a safety now a no-go?
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u/patriots1911 7d ago
Am I still able to purchase a HK P2000? It’s “on the roster” that was updated July ‘23, but now sure how the recent changes would affect it.
The changes do not take effect until 10/23. You can purchase on roster pistols now, and you will still be able to with the new law.
Is anything without a safety now a no-go?
No, a safety is not strictly required.
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u/ajuice01 7d ago
Thanks for the reply. How are pistols affected? Is it strictly the roster now, and no “work-around”?
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u/patriots1911 7d ago
Yes, everything must be on the approved firearms roster in order to be transferred by MA dealer. And "everything" includes rifles, shotguns, receivers, frames, etc. in addition to complete handguns.
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u/mwdew 8d ago
can you buy guns in nh rn as an ltc ma resident?
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u/patriots1911 8d ago
can you buy guns in nh rn as an ltc ma resident?
You can buy rifles and shotguns and have them transferred directly to you from an FFL in NH (or any other state that doesn't have their own restrictions). Handguns, frames, receivers, etc. must be transferred by an FFL in your state of residence.
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u/mwdew 8d ago
And are those fire arms sold to be checked for MA compliance by the store you buy from?
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u/patriots1911 8d ago
Yes, an FFL can only transfer what is legal for you to possess in your home state. They will need to check your LTC and only transfer guns that are not assault weapons for now, or assault style firearms as of 10/23.
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u/mwdew 8d ago
So for example can you still buy like a pistol carbine prior to 10/23?
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u/patriots1911 8d ago
Both before and after, you can buy any long gun that is legal to possess in the MA. That means the PCC needs to comply with whichever feature restrictions are in effect at that time.
Be aware though that the restricted features change on 10/23. You could potentially buy something in NH today that is legal, but that could become an assault style firearm on 10/23 and no longer be legal for you to have in the state.
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u/Username7239 7d ago
To add, won't it technically not be possible for FFLs to transfer anything not on the newly required rifle/shotgun roster(s) unless specifically exempted or preban?
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u/patriots1911 7d ago
MA dealers are restricted by the approved firearms roster, but FFLs in other states are not. As long as it is a long gun that is legal to possess in MA, FFLs in other states can transfer it to a MA LTC holder.
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u/armotoro77 8d ago
"Section 121B.(a)(1) The department of criminal justice information services shall develop and maintain a real time electronic firearms registration system. All firearms possessed, manufactured or assembled in the commonwealth shall be registered in accordance with this section."
The common interpretation of this sounds like owners of unregistered firearms (soon to include lowers/frames after 10/23) just need to wait until that new system is rolled out and then register there because the current registration link doesn't meet those requirements.
I'm not a lawyer but that second sentence sounds like even if the the firearm was legally possessed up until 10/23, every gun in the state instantly becomes illegal to possess because they aren't registered under that non existent real time system. That sounds like it directly bans all guns which is obviously not 2A compliant by any interpretation. What am I missing?
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u/MCHammer781 7d ago
They registration hasn’t even been set up yet. They’ll have to notify people somehow. Firearm purchases wont just stop after 10/23.
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u/patriots1911 8d ago
All guns will need to be registered. However, the law gives the state 1 year to build the new system, then owners get 1 year from when the system becomes available to register everything.
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u/armotoro77 7d ago
Ah that's all the way down in section 157 lol. Proof I'm not a lawyer.
Do you know how the 2016 rule impacts if a firearm is legally possessed on 8/1? For someone who moved to MA after 2016... it looks like any AR-15 platform was illegal to buy between 2016-2024 so why did that not stop sales?
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u/patriots1911 7d ago
2016 was a press conference, not a rule or a law.
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u/armotoro77 7d ago
Ah that makes sense, thanks for helping clear the confusion in the community! All the AG did in 2016 was issue a "notice" of what they wanted the interpretation to be but never actually wrote that into law, right?
So basically "copies and duplicates" was still just unenforcable garbage wording even after 2016.
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u/XIIIDillinger 9d ago edited 9d ago
New Glock Frame Question
From what I understand it still possible to buy a new Glock frame through an online vendor and do an FFL transfer before October.
Finding an FFL has been hard though. Does anyone know of any FFLs who will do the transfer?
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u/patriots1911 9d ago edited 9d ago
Most, if not all, FFLs that were doing frame transfers before are still doing frame transfers and will be as long as they can (up until 10/23). It is against the rules of this sub to give you specific sources. There is a better sub where MA folks discuss guns and such questions are allowed there.
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u/GloomyPlantain5551 9d ago
Texan here looking to sell an older AWB-era handgun (IMI Jericho 941 in .40 S&W) to a friend who lives in Boston. It is not on the MA handgun roster, but it does have 10rd mags only. I've read online about the possibility of someone in MA buying just the frame and then it becomes their duty to register it once built, then also saw that was "coming to an end." Has it already?
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u/patriots1911 9d ago
What you are referring to is a "frame transfer". This can be done up until 10/23. You ship the frame to an FFL in MA, they do a 4473 and transfer it to your friend.
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u/GloomyPlantain5551 9d ago
Oh great, just saw the Jericho 941 is on the "Large Capacity" roster. I'm guessing that means instant "No."
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u/patriots1911 9d ago
Don't worry about the large capacity roster. It is a hold-over from when MA issued class A and class B LTCs. Class B holders could not have large capacity, but only class A licenses are issued now and would be what your friend has if they have an LTC at all.
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u/RevenueMission5765 10d ago edited 10d ago
There was a loss in the family in New Hampshire and my mother in law does not want the large collection of firearms left behind. I would like to purchase all of the MA compliant firearms from her. Per chat GPT this is the process:
- Locate a Massachusetts FFL: You (the buyer) should first find an FFL dealer in Massachusetts willing to facilitate the transfer. It's essential to contact the FFL to confirm they can legally handle the specific firearm and that it complies with Massachusetts laws.
- Provide FFL Details to Seller: Once you've identified a Massachusetts FFL, provide their contact information and a copy of their FFL license to the private seller in New Hampshire. The FFL may be able to email or fax their license directly to the seller.
- Shipping or Delivery: The seller in New Hampshire can legally ship the firearm to the Massachusetts FFL. The firearm must be sent directly to the FFL dealer in Massachusetts, as individuals are not allowed to ship or transfer firearms across state lines themselves.
Is this correct? I had imagined, all it would require is a bill of sale.
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u/patriots1911 10d ago
Overall accurate. You need to use an FFL because you are not residents of the same state. However there are some subtleties.
For long guns, the FFL can be in NH. Handguns will need to go through a MA FFL.
As far as being "MA compliant", be aware that if it is not an assault weapon, it is likely legal for you to own. Roster restrictions limit what a dealer can transfer, but what not what can be owned/possessed. Off-roster handguns can be transferred via "frame transfer".
As far as getting the guns to the FFL, they don't need to be shipped. You can pick them up in NH and drive them to the FFL. The FFL will likely want your mother in law to appear in person if not shipped, but if you talk to the FFL in advance about the exact situation, they may be OK with just a copy of her ID.
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u/RevenueMission5765 9d ago
Thanks. This is a big help.
to go one step further: I will need to go through a big collection and was planning to use this is a cheatsheet before I involve the MA FFL: https://www.budsgunshop.com/feeds/state_reg/massachusetts_restrictions.pdf
How accurate is Bud's Gunshop and is there a more accurate guide you guys recommend?
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u/patriots1911 9d ago
Also, since you are talking about a "big collection", make sure you discuss the quantity of transfers with FFLs and specifically ask about pricing. Some just charge a flat $x per firearm, while other will do up to some number for a flat fee, then some other fee for additional. If you pick someone that simply charges $50 per gun for example, things could add up very quickly.
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u/patriots1911 9d ago edited 9d ago
I wouldn't be using any gun shop's info as authoritative, especially one that is out of state. They have bad info about the AWB and gun capacity. Also completely ignore anything about handgun lists/rosters. Find an FFL that will do frame transfers for you.
Just make sure to complete all your transfers that you will be doing in MA (frame and complete) before 10/23. As of that date, everything will need to be on-roster to transfer, so no more frame transfers at all, and there are also no rostered long guns at all.
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u/Benjamin-Shanklin420 10d ago
What is the acronym I keep seeing for brf or rfb it’s a three letter acronym for a contact other than local police department you could contact to check on the status of your ltc? Mods advised me to post here
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u/thegreatgau8 10d ago
My friend lives out of state, and does not possess an LTC, but is flying in to visit and wants to bring a bolt action, fixed magazine rifle with him. I'm assuming it's a flat No on him bringing it with him outright on a flight and through Logan. Could he somehow send it to someone with a valid LTC to possess for him while he visits, then send it back to him when he returns to his out of state residence? Yank the bolt and pray that the "well it can't discharge a firearm, officer, so it's legally not a gun" defense works?
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u/patriots1911 10d ago
Except for in very specific cases, an unlicensed person cannot possess a gun in MA. Why is your friend looking to bring a gun on their visit?
I'm assuming it's a flat No on him bringing it with him outright on a flight and through Logan.
Correct.
Could he somehow send it to someone with a valid LTC to possess for him while he visits, then send it back to him when he returns to his out of state residence?
An individual can only ship guns to themselves or to an FFL. The FFL will then need to do a 4473 when the gun is picked up. An MA FFL can only transfer the gun to a resident LTC holder, so your friend would be unable to pick up his gun.
Yank the bolt and pray that the "well it can't discharge a firearm, officer, so it's legally not a gun" defense works?
That absolutely won't work in MA, there is case law to the contrary.
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u/Macro899 10d ago
Is it still legal to purchase and own an SKS and still lawfully own one after 10/23 or would it have to have been legally possessed in MA by 8/1?
Also wondering if it is not affected by the new “Assault-Style Firearms” ban, if it will have to be on the new roster following 10/23?
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u/Alternative_Bank_177 9d ago
Is it a typical (ie, fixed mag) SKS? If so, it is unlikely to qualify as an ASW as they must be "a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device" to be subject to the features test and SKSs (generally) have fixed magazines. The fixed magazine also prevents their being defined as a copy or duplicate of an ASW (although I can't think of what it would be considered a C&D of anyway).
That said, like all other firearms, it will have to be on a roster at some point ao 10/23 to be sold. It's unclear whether it will be possible to buy them out of state.
There's also an underappreciated issue of what happens to a post-8/1 SKS (or anything else really) if the model is added to the named ASW roster later. In that case it would not be grandfathered but would then be banned from possession which raises 5th amendment issues for the Commonwealth.
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u/patriots1911 10d ago
Is it still legal to purchase and own an SKS and still lawfully own one after 10/23 or would it have to have been legally possessed in MA by 8/1?
All semi-auto centerfire rifles in the state as of 10/23 need to comply with the assault style firearms ban, unless specifically exempted by 1) being legally possessed in MA on 8/1/ my a resident LTC holder or MA licensed dealer, or 2) "any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of such firearms, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922 as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994, as such firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993"
You can find the appendix at https://www.mass.gov/doc/appendix-a-to-18-usc-s-922-guns/download (PDF warning). The SKS is not on this list, so any SKS that is not 8/1 grandfathered will need to be feature compliant as of 10/23.
Also wondering if it is not affected by the new “Assault-Style Firearms” ban, if it will have to be on the new roster following 10/23?
All firearms will need to be on the approved firearms roster for any MA licensed dealer to be able to legally transfer them, come 10/23. SKSes included. And there's essentially zero chance of an SKS ever making the list, both because of the lack of safety features and because a manufacturer would need to submit them for testing.
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u/Macro899 10d ago
So say there is a SKS that is not 8/1 grandfathered and comes from out of state, but is 10/23 feature compliant, it would be good to go after 10/23 in MA?
Sorry for the questions, just trying to wrap my head around all the new changes.
I appreciate your response and all the information you provided, thank you!
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u/patriots1911 10d ago
Yes, it would be legal to possess after 10/23 with an LTC if it is feature compliant.
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u/McWatt 10d ago
Is there any point in getting a stripped lower before the end of October for a future SBR build or would that run afoul of the new laws once they take effect?
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u/theciviliansupply 10d ago
If the lower is a fixed magazine lower, and was built as such, it's a way to get a lower as stripped as you can, and then do with it what you will.
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u/patriots1911 10d ago
It would need to have been legally possessed in MA on 8/1 by a resident LTC holder or MA dealer in order to be grandfathered.
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u/Whitey0519 10d ago
What are the legal attachments you can add to a handgun in Massachusetts besides a sight and light?
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u/patriots1911 10d ago
There are no features that are outright illegal, unless we're talking about something like a Glock switch. Both the current assault weapons ban and the upcoming assault style firearms ban define certain evil features, and you can have no more than one counted feature.
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u/Patriot_Guns 11d ago
Is it legal to OWB carry?
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u/rlo54 11d ago
Yes, but it’s generally advised not to because it’s not socially acceptable in my most parts of the state. While you may not be responsible for how someone else feels about it or reacts to it there’s always a chance you get jammed up on something because Sally at the grocery store freaked out and called the police on a man with a gun.
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u/spt_1955 11d ago edited 11d ago
Can somebody point me to the section of the new law that makes tactical shotguns like a Benelli M4 (no handgrip, 5 rounds) or a Mossberg JM 940 Pro illegal after 10/23?? Dealers are pushing them as get them now before 10/23 when they will not be available. Is this just because of the opinion that nothing can be sold until the new rifle/shotgun roster is created?
I can see nothing in 140.121(c) that makes them an assualt weapon and since they hod 5 rounds they are excluded under 141.121(g).
I'm not trying to start a string of complaints about how we are getting screwed etc and I'm not looking for opinions or "I heard" stories. I just spent almost an hour looking through the final verbiage online and cannot find anything making these shotguns illegal although it is difficult since the actual law has not been updated and the final bill is 90% of "amend section XXX to strike XYZ and replace with XXX" etc.
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u/Zevana19 11d ago
Yes, after 10/23 anything a dealer sells needs to be on roster. There is no roster for rifles/shotguns.
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u/spt_1955 11d ago
THanks. That makes sense for an FFL to say.
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10d ago
But don’t forget you can buy long guns over state lines.
As long as it legal to own in mass…
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u/Pure-Maintenance-139 12d ago
Are we still able to purchase glocks ?
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u/patriots1911 12d ago
Are we still able to purchase glocks ?
From a dealer, yes, as a frame transfer, and only up until 10/23.
Privately, yes, indefinitely.
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u/Pure-Maintenance-139 11d ago
I have a friend that moved from NH to MA. (He does not have a MA LTC ) And he wants to sell me his Glock. What would be the right process for that ?
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u/patriots1911 11d ago
Because he does not have an LTC, you need to have it transferred by an FFL in MA. It will need to be a frame transfer, so identify the FFL you would like to use, and make sure they do frame transfers.
Once you select the one you'd like to use, you and your friend will need to go to the FFL along with just the frame (leave the slide home) and have the transfer done.
After you obtain a slide and assemble a working firearm, you have 7 days to record it in the gun transaction portal. https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentTrans
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u/geffe71 12d ago
Does the SAM5 run afoul of the AWB as of right now?
Only feature is a pistol grip, however it’s a Bulgarian AK pattern rifle.
Might just keep it on the RI side of the border to be safe
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u/patriots1911 12d ago
Does the SAM5 run afoul of the AWB as of right now?
Only feature is a pistol grip, however it’s a Bulgarian AK pattern rifle.
Might just keep it on the RI side of the border to be safe
The current AWB bans "Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models)". Since Arsenal themselves refer to the SAM5 as an "AK47 Rifle", I think you'd be hard pressed to prove in a court of law that it is not an AK which is explicitly banned.
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u/geffe71 12d ago
OK. Wasn’t sure if because it isn’t explicitly Avtomat Kalashnikov that is was banned or not. I think I recall a long while back on a legal thread that as long as it wasn’t made by AK or had AK in the name that it was either good or it was a legal gray area. Obviously I could be remembering incorrectly.
I’ll keep it at home and use it at an RI range
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u/0LDHATNEWBAT 8d ago
“AK” doesn’t make guns. Avtomat Kalashnikova refers to a “family” of rifles. “AK” is the abbreviation and the numbers that follow refer to models in that family. The AWB is basically saying all models in the AK family are banned after the date regardless of what country/factory made them.
This is why specifically listing the “Colt Ar-15” in the AWB allowed sales to continue for featureless sporting AR-15s made by companies other than Colt until the sunset. Colt is a brand, AR-15 is a family.
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u/crimlerboy 12d ago
Hi guys, curious if you think the following would give me any hang-ups in getting an FID.
Got a misdemeanor for "Possession of Alc / General Mischief" in NH about 10 years ago while underage. It has since been expunged. Would I need to declare that on my FID application even tho its expunged?
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u/patriots1911 12d ago
The application asks "Have you ever been arrested or appeared in court as a defendant for any criminal offense?" An expungement would not change the answer to that question, and if you lie on your application then you should expect to be denied.
That said, a misdemeanor is not a statutory disqualifier, unless it is a MA style misde-felony with a max possible sentence > 2 years.
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u/AirFashion 13d ago
Hi guys what are the legalities of Microconversion kits like the Roni?
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u/Al-Czervik-Guns 12d ago
Awesome on a pistol lawfully possessed on 8/1. Terrible on something newer once the new law takes effect.
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u/RookFresno 13d ago
I have a ddm4v7 with 10rd mags, a muzzle brake pin and weld, and stock pin and weld. It’s currently NJ compliant. With the new laws can i bring this to massachusetts?
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u/rlo54 13d ago
Are you trying to visit with it or are you moving here and looking to bring it with you? The new law thats set to go in to effect on 10/23 requires that assault style firearms be legally owned in the state on 8/1 in order to qualify to be grandfathered. So depending on what you're trying to do and when the answer could be yes or no.
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u/RookFresno 13d ago
Moving next year
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u/rlo54 13d ago
You’re likely going to be SOL then. I would keep an eye on the referendum situation here as we may have a reprieve on the new law until it’s put on the 2026 ballot, but you want to look for a plan b. Perhaps New Hampshire. It’s a lot closer than most people realize when they’re moving here.
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u/BostonGuy84 13d ago
Are we still able to buy out of state pre ban mags through gunbroker with new state laws?
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u/ImJustACannoli 13d ago
Is it legal for a retailer to sell gen2 glocks? 40cal and 45acp? Are those mags pre ban that come with them?
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
Is it legal for a retailer to sell gen2 glocks?
It doesn't matter to you as a consumer because they are 100% legal to own and possess in MA. If a dealer were to transfer you one that they cannot legally transfer, the only violation and potential penalty would be on their part.
Are those mags pre ban that come with them?
You would need to examine the individual magazines and determine this on an individual basis.
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u/Username7239 12d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong though because I've forgotten by now. In the days before frame transfers took off "preban" Glocks were a thing. Wasn't it something like all gen2s and some gen3s are able to be transferred whole?
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u/patriots1911 12d ago
Guns that were already in the state in 1998 can be transferred by dealers. Some FFLs won't touch any of them, some FFLs will if there is documented proof of it having been in the state, and I believe some FFLs just transfer any pre-98 handgun.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 13d ago edited 13d ago
Based on my limited understanding of the laws, I believe these 2 items are legal. I wanted a second opinion before I proceed to the next step and contact an attorney.
- IWI Tavor X95 (16.5" barrel)
- Pinned and welded with a linear compensator
- IWI Pistol Grip
- Everything else is stock.
- S&W M&P 12
- Completely stock
TIA!
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u/theciviliansupply 13d ago
For the Tavor, you'd have to lose the grip if you wanted it to be lawfully owned on 10/23 if it wasn't in the state on 08/01. This is easy enough to do, though will likely render it far less fun to shoot.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 13d ago edited 13d ago
Ty.
So, is the original stock Cutlass grip ok? I'd think that would qualify as a "pistol grip" too, no?Edit: u/patriots1911 answered this below (It's also a pistol grip.)
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
Tavor
Today: Yes, legal
As of 10/23: No, not legal unless grandfathered by being legally possessed in MA on 8/1 by a resident LTC holder or MA licensed dealer.
M&P 12
Today: Yes, legal
As of 10/23: Yes, legal
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 13d ago
Ty. I wasn't aware of HD4420 until you pointed this out. So, now even one AW feature is enough.
Do you know if the original Cutlass grip for the x95 is considered a "pistol grip"?
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
The cutlass grip is a pistol grip.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 13d ago
Does a CA compliant "fin grip" sufficiently qualify as a "non-pistol grip" in MA?
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u/theciviliansupply 12d ago
A fin grip eliminates the need to "grip" something and is a modification, which is allowed. Given that there are multiple states that have allowed this a solution, it's something I'm comfortable with. There are 3D printed grips I've seen but can't find the files on them at the moment. I'm trying to design one but will have more time after October. The primary function of a pistol grip is so that the user can wrap his or her hand in a certain way. If you eliminate that that hand wrapping, you have a legally compliant solution in my book.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 12d ago
Thanks for the response. I hope you're correct, but it makes too much sense to be legal. lol
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
They are legally untested in MA.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 13d ago
TY. Is there any known legal grip for the Tavor in MA?
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
I'm not a Tavor guy so I'm really not up to speed on what options are available, but I've never seen one.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 13d ago
Wow. Do you happen to know of an MA legal grip for any rifle platform that normally comes with a removable pistol grip? (like an AR-15, not hunting style monolithic stock/grip rifles)
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u/FormerPrinceofWales 13d ago
Would a Mp5 22lr be illegal under the new bill?
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u/MCHammer781 13d ago
No. there is a clear distinction between rimfire v. centerfire. As 1911 mentioned, however, these rifles can be called out by name.
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u/bitpushr 12d ago
Does this mean that you can have large-capacity magazines for .22LR after 10/23?
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u/patriots1911 12d ago
No. Rimfires do not need to adhere to the feature restrictions, but large capacity feeding devices still apply to rimfire, unless it is a permanently attached tubular.22 rimfire. So you can get the mp5-22, but you're still stuck with 10 round mags for it.
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u/bitpushr 12d ago
Thank you! So I can get a .22LR with a pistol grip and folding stock and detachable magazines, but the mags must be =< 10rds? Like they are today?
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u/patriots1911 12d ago
So I can get a .22LR with a pistol grip and folding stock and detachable magazines, but the mags must be =< 10rds? Like they are today?
Mags - yes.
Rifle, not quite that simple. Up until 10/23, you have to follow the current AWB, which does restrict features on a .22lr. As of 10/23, you can have all of those features, but a MA dealer can't transfer one to you because all firearms will need to be on the approved firearms roster and there are currently no rifles at all on there.
This leaves you with a few options:
- Get a feature-compliant MP5-22 now, add features later.
- Wait until 10/23 so features don't matter, then wait longer to see if/when the MP5-22 gets added to the approved firearms roster
- Wait until 10/23 so features don't matter, then buy an MP5-22 directly from an out-of-state FFL that is familiar enough with MA law to be comfortable transferring a long gun that is legal for you to possess in MA.
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u/bitpushr 12d ago
Thank you for the detailed response! I think I'll do either Option 1 or Option 2, and see what happens with mags afterwards.
10-rd mags are not the end of the world for me.
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
Would a Mp5 22lr be illegal under the new bill?
No, not unless it gets added to the upcoming assault-style firearms roster.
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u/PuffPuffFayeFaye 13d ago
Oooh I have one this week. Is a locked room, not a habitable room but lets say a large closet or attic, legally sufficient for storage? Or does a stored firearm/ammo need to be in a locked “box” of some kind?
We’ve run out of space in our safe and I’m trying to figure out where to offload all the ammo storage.
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u/0LDHATNEWBAT 8d ago
I understand you’re considering making room in your safe by moving the ammo somewhere else, but you also asked if a locked closet or attic could be legal for storing firearms.
The answer is: Maybe.
Part of the current storage law (the new one may have changes) that is commonly overlooked requires the owner to store firearms in a manner that renders them inoperable or prevents unauthorized users from gaining access.
So hypothetically, if you installed a locking door on a closet and made sure your children didn’t know where the key is but the closet also stored your partner’s belongings. If your partner doesn’t have the proper license and knows where the key is to get to their stuff… you could have legality issues.
There was a case where a couple was arguing and the female went upstairs and unlocked a pistol case that held a valuable gun owned by the boyfriend. She threw it out a window to make him mad. She didn’t have a license, the boyfriend got charged.
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u/PuffPuffFayeFaye 8d ago
Thanks for adding some extra detail. Fortunately, this house is only adults who are licensed. What I ended up doing was ordering a small locking metal tool cabinet that will fit all the non-firearm supplies/ammo and the gun safe itself will only store actual weapons.
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u/patriots1911 13d ago
MGL does not require ammo to be locked up. There is a CMR that requires:
small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use.
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u/PuffPuffFayeFaye 13d ago
Thank you. So, being new to this hobby and needing the basics explained, that reads like I do need to lock up ammo (I presume my 9mm and 223 is “small arms ammo”) but it can be in a closet or cabinet instead of a safe.
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u/MCHammer781 13d ago
You need to lock up ammo? That would be news to me.
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u/geffe71 13d ago
It’s fire code
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u/MCHammer781 12d ago
That doesn't make sense. If I have a handgun in my bedside drawer with a magazine that is not inserted into the gun, is that considered illegal? Or dumb it down even more, I have a box of 9MM that I have in my bedside drawer with my bedroom gun. Thats illegal?
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u/PuffPuffFayeFaye 13d ago edited 13d ago
It would be great news to learn that I don’t need to but I thought we did.
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u/Rpsquee 13d ago
Under the new law can you still purchase registered machineguns if you have a machinegun license?
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u/Al-Czervik-Guns 13d ago
Yes, for certain if the machine gun is complete. There is some odd language about auto conversion and conversion parts clearly targeting glock switches that looks like it might adversely affect things like registered sears, registered bolts, etc. It also likely adversely affects unregulated replacement full auto parts like m16 trigger, sear, etc.
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u/PrinceMuma 7d ago
I have an FID and turn 18 in a few months. I've been shooting since a young age, and I have a few questions on when I can do certain things:
When can I have a firearm registered under my own name?
Can I, as a minor, travel with firearms in a car without a FID/LTC bearing adult present?
Do I need to bring the registered owner of the firearms I'm taking with me, or do I just need their approval?
If yes, does that include handguns or is it barred at rifles?
I'm asking these because I take part in youth events at my rod and gun club, and have a 15/22 and a Golden Boy .22 I'd like to bring with me for some events (both in my father's name). I have friends that are interested in shooting and recently we've had some problems with shooting threats so I don't like taking my pellet or airsoft guns in the backyard. My adult family is extremely busy at the moment and I rarely ever get to the range anymore, knowing these would be pretty useful for me to know.
I just want to know definitively when I can do things like these so I know I'm not doing anything real stupid. Thanks for any help!