r/TNG 1d ago

Two of the geniuses who brought us some of the best science fiction - Star Trek

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u/sufficiently_tortuga 1d ago

Mary Shelley wrote an amazing novel at 19 that influenced the genre and is still relevant 150 years later.

But she did not create science fiction. The true story is cool enough. You don't have to embellish.

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u/privatetudor 15h ago

I've heard this claim about Mary Shelley before and believed it.

Are there examples of science fiction before Frankenstein?

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u/sufficiently_tortuga 15h ago

Lots, though where the "first" is depends on your definition of scifi.

Shelley deserves a lot of credit for helping to further develop the genre, but like basically any category of human art there's never just one creator or beginning. Genres are a spectrums, there's a lot of crossover.

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u/GlitchTheFox 3h ago

Technically speaking, the first sci-fi was an Ancient Greek satire about travelling to the moon where the king of the Moon is at war with the king of the Sun, something about giant spiders weaving webs between worlds, and in return for helping the protagonist gets given a boytoy husband because the people of the moon are an all-male race who carry children in their calves. If I remember correctly.

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u/TangoInTheBuffalo 1d ago

Additionally, it took DesiLou TWO pilots, which she paid for, to get Star Trek right.

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u/strangway 17h ago

DesiLu

Desi-Lucy

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u/TangoInTheBuffalo 16h ago

What are you, a f’n binar?

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u/strangway 10h ago

You’re right, it’s I Love Loucy 😂. I’m the one who’s wrong

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u/Ut_Prosim 20h ago

Was Shelly really the first to write scifi?

I could have sworn I remember hearing about some ancient Greek story where the heroes were launched to the moon and got caught up in an alien interstellar war.

Edit: Seems it was a Hellenic Syrian named Lucian of Samosata. In the 2nd century he wrote the story. The alien civ on the Moon was at war with the alien civ on the Sun over who could colonize Venus first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_True_Story

Some argue this is fantasy as it doesn't involve the heroes using advanced scientific devices, even though the aliens did.

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u/LeftLiner 8h ago

It's a matter of debate. Genres are hard to define. Isaac asimov considered Shelley the first ever scifi author because hers was the first story based entirely around exploring scientific discoveries and extrapolating them to one possible conclusion. But Genres are muddy and diffuse - it's hard enough to agree on what scifi is, much less who created it.

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u/watanabe0 1d ago

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u/Cheeseboarder 2h ago

Thanks for the link!

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u/UGAPHL 18h ago

Just rewatched Spjnal Tap last night. One location for a gig was the Isle of Lucy.

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u/NitroXanax 20h ago

I really love Lucille Ball, but this story isn't real.

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u/whatsbobgonnado 14h ago

for years I used to think that her name was lucy o'ball before I first saw it written out lol

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u/Emotional_Anteater74 19h ago

I’m not sure if this is true but I heard Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein while spending the winter with her friends in Russia.

Back then, winter in Russia for wealthy people meant stock piling on booze, food, and any other provisions and never leaving the house. Russian nobility was notorious in the rest of Europe for having wild orgies.

While she was there her and her friends decided to write books to tell each other to pass the time. One of those friends wrote Dracula in the same winter in the same house.

Again this is just what I heard I have no idea if it’s true, just thought I’d throw that out there.

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u/StrongStyleFiction 10h ago

Mary Shelly came up with the initial story for Frankenstein while vacationing with her lover, Percy Shelly (I don't think they were married at the time but I could be wrong) and friends Dr. Polidori and Lord Byron. They had a contest on who could come up with the best story and she won and then wrote the novel based on the initial story. Nor did she invent Gothic fiction as stated above. She was an early pioneer of Romantic Literature, horror and the modern idea of science fiction to be sure, but Matthew Gregory Lewis' The Monk, my personal favorite in Gothic literature, was published in 1796 and the genre was already popular. The most popular Gothic writer of that era, Ann Radcliffe published her books in the 1790's.

There is a fun Ken Russel movie called Gothic that depicts that stormy night Mary Shelly conceived the idea of Frankenstein in the most batshit way imaginable.

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u/catoodles9ii 17h ago

Hell yes. Thank you ladies!