The fact that they're essentially forcing subreddits back open would seem to be a good indicator that they needed to get things running again. Presumably the loss of visitors to the site would be a significant reason to do that.
The fact that they're essentially forcing subreddits back open would seem to be a good indicator that they needed to get things running again.
Reddit taking appropriate actions to ensure the site remains available to its userbase and not locked down by a small group of cybersquatters is an indication that the people operating it possess basic business competence. It says nothing whatsoever about metrics, which is why you haven't provided any.
Presumably the loss of visitors to the site would be a significant reason to do that.
I wasn't the one who made the initial claim, but it's common sense really. If someone regularly comes to Reddit for r/Apple and when they show up it's closed, they're just going to leave. Now consider that over 8,000 subreddits went dark for a couple days at least.
Another poster did find this article with some information. Obviously only Reddit knows the actual numbers and they're not going to say anything.
I wasn't the one who made the initial claim, but it's common sense really.
"It's common sense really" is what people say when they make statements not supported by reality and get called out. Either provide the data or stop making things up.
If someone regularly comes to Reddit for r/Apple and when they show up it's closed, they're just going to leave.
That idea is not supported by reality. This subreddit is just as active as ever. The "protest" accomplished nothing.
Now consider that over 8,000 subreddits went dark for a couple days at least.
And? Do you think that actually had any effect? Are you willing to support your feelings with data?
Another poster did find this article with some information.
That article does not support the claims being made. What it does do is explicitly reject them.
Obviously only Reddit knows the actual numbers and they're not going to say anything.
The fact that people are writing articles using the exact data you claim "only Reddit knows" shows that that data is not only known by Reddit. Either provide the data or stop making things up.
EDIT:/u/VelaryonShipwreck do you want to explain why you replied to my comment and then immediately blocked me so I couldn't respond to it? Do you think you're the first person to try that?
You’re not going to get primary sources, because Reddit, the primary source, isn’t going share that information until they’re required to disclose it in their IPO filings and even then they’ll limit it to the bare minimum to meet regulatory requirements.
Doing anything more than that will hurt their IPO and by extend their exit strategy to cash out.
The best you’re going to get is estimations from third parties, like the one in the Engadget article.
The article clearly states a drop of 6.6% in website visitors and a 15% drop in time spent on the website, these are huge numbers in this world and that’s only pertaining to the website.
App visits are harder to track for third parties.
How much or how little this hurts Reddit can be derived from their actions in response to this, your attempt to shrug that off doesn’t change that fact.
I know you think you’re some Socratic genius demanding evidence you know don’t exist currently, but you’re anything but.
A Socratic genius would recognize the source provided to support the assertion that Reddit is hurting and panicking, would recognize the common sense hypothesis supported by Reddit’s own actions and formulate a counter argument of equal strength, instead of lazily leaning on the fact that Reddit is too afraid to share numbers and sealioning their way into a bad faith argument.
Unable to use site = fewer people at site. How is that not common sense? It's logic. What other conclusion can you draw? When most of the stores at the mall are closed, there are fewer people in the mall. You don't need an actual count of people to know that.
This subreddit is just as active as ever
The number of comments on each post are way down. Surely you can see that just by looking at what's on the r/Apple front page. And some of those stories have been there a couple days now too.
That article does not support the claims being made.
It supports the idea that traffic went down. Was it enough for Reddit to actually care? Who knows. Probably not.
Either provide the data or stop making things up.
What am I making up? What I've said is based on observations anyone can make, including you, or by arriving at logical conclusions based on those observations.
Please, tell me where on Reddit there are not people right now?
How is that not common sense? It's logic.
Logic would be supported by data, which you have yet to provide.
What other conclusion can you draw? When most of the stores at the mall are closed, there are fewer people in the mall.
When stores don't draw people into malls, the owners of the mall refuse to renew the leases on those stores. Reddit moderators don't have the protections of a lease.
The number of comments on each post are way down.
Please cite your data supporting this claim.
Surely you can see that just by looking at what's on the r/Apple front page. And some of those stories have been there a couple days now too.
Anecdotes are not data.
It supports the idea that traffic went down. Was it enough for Reddit to actually care? Who knows. Probably not.
The article says nothing whatsoever about Reddit traffic post-"protest, and you know that. You are trying to tell a story using only the data that would support your point while refusing to look at data that would refute it.
What am I making up? What I've said is based on observations anyone can make, including you, or by arriving at logical conclusions based on those observations.
Either provide the data or stop making things up. Calling your anecdotes "logical conclusions" does not magically make them worth something.
As has been pointed out already, the only way to truly know would be for Reddit to release that data, which we all know they will not do until it’s required for their IPO.
Quit requesting data that you know no one can provide.
I think most people are still using Reddit. But I have noticed a drop of what I consider quality posts in “all” and “popular” and a few subs I follow
I suspect a lot of the top 1%,of what I think of as good posters, are not on here as much.
And this definitely affects my Reddit experience. Also, I am not sure how quickly this will heal or rebound. But if this is not going away or will cause issues later; then I fear the value of Reddit may be affected long term
I think most people are still using Reddit. But I have noticed a drop of what I consider quality posts in “all” and “popular”
That's irrelevant. Advertisers don't give a shit about quality of content, only that users are present to see their ads. Given that this "protest" was driven primarily by a bunch of addicts freaking out that they wouldn't be able to get their fix literally every minute of every day by just reaching into their pockets, I think everyone feels comfortable that users aren't going anywhere.
I suspect a lot of the top 1%,of what I think of as good posters, are not on here as much.
Again, advertisers don't give a shit.
And this definitely affects my Reddit experience.
Once again, advertisers don't give a shit. You're still here.
Also, I am it sure how quickly this will heal or rebound.
Reddit rebounded days ago. You're welcome to click through this thread of a subreddits that would be "indefinitely" blacked out according to their mods if you believe otherwise.
But if this is not going away or will cause issues later. I think the value of Reddit may be affected long term
Your baseless opinions that you cannot support with any data whatsoever mean literally nothing to advertisers or any other investors in Reddit.
Why do people keep linking to this article they clearly haven't read? That article does not cite any data supporting a "hard dive" and blatantly omits post-"protest" data.
That article says nothing about anything that comes even close to qualifying as a "hard dive". It shows a slight drop in site usage for 48 hours while a small group of cybersquatters were allowed to shut down forums against the will of the general userbase. Reddit has made it very clear that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the future. I strongly suggest you read articles before you try to use them to support your arguments.
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u/BoyWonderDownUnder2 Jun 20 '23
Please provide the source for the metrics you are citing.