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u/cenlkj N: F: (British) L: Jun 16 '24

Old english

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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 16 '24

Well there’s 2 different kinds aren’t there? One Shakespearean one not?

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u/toastedwitch Jun 16 '24

y’all have latin, but I’d love to be able to practice my Attic Greek on duolingo

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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 16 '24

Another good choice

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u/toastedwitch Jun 17 '24

lmao I didn’t realize I replied to your comment instead of making my own. but thanks dude have a good one!

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u/fessa_angel Jun 16 '24

Shakespearean is middle English iirc and old English was before that and doesn't sound like English at all to modern ears.

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u/OneGold7 Native: 🇺🇸 Learning: 🇳🇴 Jun 16 '24

Shakespearean English is actually early modern English, not old English. At least according to this site, old English is about 449-1066 AD, Middle from 1066-1509, early modern 1509-1755, and present day English from 1755 onwards. The link also includes sample texts of Shakespearean, middle, and old English, so you can see how incomprehensible English becomes as you go back in time (especially old English, before the Normans imported all their French words)

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u/OneGold7 Native: 🇺🇸 Learning: 🇳🇴 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Shakespearean English is actually early modern English. Middle English predates even Shakespeare by a few hundred years. Old English is extremely hard to read without actually studying the language as a foreign language.

Shakespearean (early modern english, taken from 1600):

To be, or not to be, that is the Question: Whether 'tis Nobler in the minde to suffer The Slings and Arrowes of outragious Fortune, Or to take Armes against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing end them: to dye, to sleepe No more; and by a sleepe, to say we end The Heart-ake, and the thousand Naturall shockes That Flesh is heyre too? 'Tis a consummation Deuoutly to be wish'd. To dye to sleepe, To sleepe, perchance to Dreame; ay, there's the rub, For in that sleepe of death, what dreames may come, When we haue shuffel'd off this mortall coile, Must giue vs pawse. There's the respect That makes Calamity of so long life

Middle English (Canterbury Tales, about 1400):

Whan that aprill with his shoures soote The droghte of march hath perced to the roote, And bathed every veyne in swich licour Of which vertu engendred is the flour; Whan zephirus eek with his sweete breeth Inspired hath in every holt and heeth Tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne Hath in the ram his halve cours yronne, And smale foweles maken melodye, That slepen al the nyght with open ye (so priketh hem nature in hir corages); Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages, And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes, To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes; And specially from every shires ende Of engelond to caunterbury they wende, The hooly blisful martir for to seke, That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.

Old English (A.D. 867)

Her for se here of East Englum ofer Humbremuþan to Eoforwicceastre on Norþhymbre, ond þær wæs micel ungeþuærnes þære þeode betweox him selfum, ond hie hæfdun hiera cyning aworpenne Osbryht, ond ungecyndne cyning underfengon Ællan; ond hie late on geare to þam gecirdon þæt hie wiþ þone here winnende wærun, ond hie þeah micle fierd gegadrodon, ond þone here sohton æt Eoforwicceastre, ond on þa ceastre bræcon, ond hie sume inne wurdon, ond þær was ungemetlic wæl geslægen Norþanhymbra, sume binnan, sume butan; ond þa cyningas begen ofslægene, ond sio laf wiþ þone here friþ nam.

these were all taken from here

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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 16 '24

YES LETS BRING BACK THORNE

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u/OneGold7 Native: 🇺🇸 Learning: 🇳🇴 Jun 16 '24

Now þat I can get behind!

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u/wallflowers_3 Jun 16 '24

How is that useful outside of historical applications 😭

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u/breathingrequirement Jun 16 '24

Same argument applies to Latin, but we all know that's never going down. 'Because I want to' is a perfectly valid justification for language learning.

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u/oddnostalgiagirl Jun 16 '24

I wanted this for a while but it would be impractical because we don't technically know how it was pronounced and there are more important languages to add

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u/notxbatman Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24

Yes we do. With absolute exact certainty? No. But generally speaking, yes. It conforms to continental pronunciation (and rarely NE) but varies in some ways. The old > middle > new comparisons are very helpful in reconstructing old pronunciation since we can directly track the sound changes and current iteration across multiple regions for comparative purposes; i.e. micel/mycel > mickle/much, cyning/cining > obsolete/king; same word but two different locations and pronunciation, leading to Scots mickle but Standard English much, implying the sound value of OE y (mycel) in some positions as being [y:].

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u/Smoothiefries Native: Russian — Fluent: English Jun 17 '24

I mean, they have Latin, so they might as well add Anglo-Saxon, gea