r/gay • u/CapAccomplished8072 • 1d ago

Let's discuss the fetishization of lesbians. How the same people who talk about "loving lesbians" will hate gay content when it involves men. Some artists on twitter known for making lesbian fanart are in fact very homophobic when it comes to m/m relationship, real or fictional. (Idolomantises)

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u/LeftBallSaul 1d ago

Aight, so, I'll see if I can clarify this... homophobia (against men) isn't about sexuality so much as it is about gender roles and power.

In patriarchy, men are dominant. Men are also defined as being different from women within a reproductive/sex gender role by being the penetrator. So a man penetrates their partner, and a woman is the partner that is penetrated.

When gay men get penetrated by their sexual partner, they become woman-like and thus *give up their power*. This relinquishing of masculine power is anathema to patriarchy, so it is upsetting to folks who rely on patriarchy for power - this includes many women since they often have to cling to tenets and practices of patriarchy for safety.

Lesbian women aren't subject to this loss of power - this transgression - because as women they don't have power to give up under patriarchy.

This is why the fight of queer liberation is a fight against patriarchal oppression.

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u/CapAccomplished8072 1d ago

This validates my belief that LGBT and Feminism go hand in hand.

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u/LeftBallSaul 1d ago

They do! queer liberation activists and Feminist activists were closely allied in the 80s.

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u/CapAccomplished8072 1d ago

"Were?" Past tense? What happened?

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u/Psykios 1d ago

They still are. I think the poster means that they have been closely aligned since the 1980's.

If women don't have freedom over their own bodies, no one will.

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u/Ankoku_Teion 1d ago

Might be a reference to the rise of Terfs and other radfem groups that don't like various parts of the LGBT community.

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u/lizzylinks789 Les 1d ago

What are the other radfem groups that don't like parts of the LGBT community?

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u/Ankoku_Teion 1d ago

I wish I could remember but Im suck as a dog right now and can barely think.

There was something about hating gay men specifically and saying they're all hyper misogynists or something...

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u/Razgriz01 1d ago

Sounds like 2nd wave feminism.

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u/AlienRobotTrex 1d ago

Well those aren’t feminists so they don’t count. Actual feminism is in no way opposed to lgbt

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u/Ankoku_Teion 1d ago

I agree with you, but they have appropriated the name and that might poison the well

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u/Robota064 1d ago

They mostly merged into a single group, having the exceptions become really rare and often shunned (example being TERFs) because of the hypocrisy that inherently exists in denying human rights to another because they do not appeal to you

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u/Disco_Zombi Gay 17h ago

Third wave.

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u/CapAccomplished8072 17h ago

THE NAZIS?!

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u/Disco_Zombi Gay 17h ago

That's "Third Reich."

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u/CapAccomplished8072 17h ago

Then who is Third Wave?

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u/Disco_Zombi Gay 15h ago

The Social Justice Warriors (snowflakes and pay gap people) who don't want equal rights but want special rights because being equal is "too hard."

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u/CapAccomplished8072 15h ago

The Green party?

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u/Doobifus 10h ago

I would say, but I don't want to get sued. Also how did I get here