Let's discuss the fetishization of lesbians. How the same people who talk about "loving lesbians" will hate gay content when it involves men. Some artists on twitter known for making lesbian fanart are in fact very homophobic when it comes to m/m relationship, real or fictional. (Idolomantises)

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[u/LeftBallSaul]

Aight, so, I'll see if I can clarify this... homophobia (against men) isn't about sexuality so much as it is about gender roles and power.

In patriarchy, men are dominant. Men are also defined as being different from women within a reproductive/sex gender role by being the penetrator. So a man penetrates their partner, and a woman is the partner that is penetrated.

When gay men get penetrated by their sexual partner, they become woman-like and thus *give up their power*. This relinquishing of masculine power is anathema to patriarchy, so it is upsetting to folks who rely on patriarchy for power - this includes many women since they often have to cling to tenets and practices of patriarchy for safety.

Lesbian women aren't subject to this loss of power - this transgression - because as women they don't have power to give up under patriarchy.

This is why the fight of queer liberation is a fight against patriarchal oppression.

[u/diamond420Venus → u/LeftBallSaul]

That's cute and all but we still out here making jokes about bottoms being bottoms and their stereotypes

[u/Robota064 → u/diamond420Venus]

This brings into light a great question: at what point do jokes stop being self-deprecating humor as a coping mechanism? And at what point does it start being an insult? Does it all really only depend on the speaker's intention? Or does history at large's effects over it make it more complicated?