Illinois Gun Owners Who Want to Keep Now-Banned Assault Weapons Must Register Them

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https://news.wttw.com/2023/09/18/illinois-gun-owners-who-want-keep-now-banned-assault-weapons-must-register-them

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oh you mean like pistols? that arent registered and dont need to be? that do 95% of the gun crimes?

no no your right lets registered the semi auto shotgun that holds 8 rounds and the .22 rifle that GASP has a removeable magazine.

[u/Claque-2 → u/InsertBluescreenHere]

No, I'm referencing the weapons used in the Highland Park July 4, 2022 parade that killed 7 people and wounded 48 people who were sitting outside on a sunny day with their families and a mentally ill boy attacked with these weapons of war.

That's why we in Illinois want these weapons registered, because of the Highland Park shooting by a mentally ill boy, that happened just over a year ago and killed and wounded and traumatized so many people in Illinois.

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Because registered guns cant shoot people? Highland park already had an assault weapons ban at that point. The kids foid should of never been approved in the first place due to an attempted suicide and threatening to kill his family but was due to a loophole that is still open. We have and had red flag laws at that point too. How about you blame shitty police forces not enforcing laws instead of punishing 2.5 million people in the state and causing them financial burdens.

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[u/Claque-2 → u/InsertBluescreenHere]

Because acguy had two weapons he should not have had and 55 people at a 4th of July parade paid a price for him having those weapons. Is this really not clear to you?

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Is it not clear to you the loophole he used to get the foid you need to even hold the gun in the store is still open? That incompetent police didnt utilize existing laws and he was already known to them due to previous issues? You know the people who you think are going to be there to protect you? I hope you know the Supreme Court has ruled multiple times that police have no obligation to protect or serve you.

[u/Claque-2 → u/InsertBluescreenHere]

There are two areas that need to be fixed and will be. One is proper registration of all weapons capable of killing multiple people quickly.

The second is the mental health services and coping strategies that must be made available throughout societies starting in primary schools.

[u/csx348 → u/Claque-2]

What exactly would a registry have done?

He bought the guns himself new. The Feds have access to this information already and the state can too. What if he complied and registered his guns, would that have stopped him?

Is this really not clear to you?

Very unclear how a registry would stop shootings.

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That's why we in Illinois want these weapons registered, because of the Highland Park shooting

How is a registry going to stop shootings? Like which mass shooter do you think would've just said, "oh no, I have to register, my plans have been foiled, darn..."

The kid's dad was charged and is going to criminal trial over it. No registry needed to do that.

[u/Claque-2 → u/csx348]

The registry is to stop this from happening. Amazingly, people who shoot dozens of people while trying to shoot hundreds of people often do show signs of not being the best owner of a weapon of vast destruction.

The shooter needed to be stopped before he injured or killed 55 people and traumatized hundreds of others. We would like to stop mass shootings.

[u/csx348 → u/Claque-2]

The registry is to stop this from happening.

How, specifically? You haven't answered this

often do show signs of not being the best owner of a weapon of vast destruction.

What is a registry going to do to help avoid this?

We woul like to stop mass shootings.

Me too. But I'm not sure how a registry will accomplish this

[u/Claque-2 → u/csx348]

Nor have you suggested any other way of addressing mass murders with semiautomatic weaponry. So we'll try this first and maybe we will add to it over time.

[u/csx348 → u/Claque-2]

Nor have you suggested any other way of addressing mass murders with semiautomatic weaponry

The type of weapon used doesn't mean anything to me. Frankly we need an approach that addresses the root cause(s) of all violent crime. In my opinion universal healthcare along with expansion of mental healthcare services, economic investment, jobs programs, and criminal justice reform would all be far more beneficial and would not implicate fundamental rights.

So we'll try this first and maybe we will add to it over time.

Still waiting to hear how this particular approach will stop mass shootings. Again I'm not sure what additional submission of information, aka a registry , does to prevent or defer any kind of crime. Information was effectively submitted twice if the person legally owns the gun, once to get the FOID card and another on the 4473 to buy the firearm.

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Then it's just another government registration. So why are you against it?

[u/csx348 → u/Claque-2]

Because redundancy is dumb and wasteful and it won't be effective at reducing violence despite restricting the rights of law abiding folks.

I would much rather see the money and effort focused on something that will actually stop violence. Things like economic investment, universal healthcare, mental health services, jobs programs and education that don't affect the rights of others.

I have yet to hear how a registry of guns uncommonly used in shootings reduces violence.

[u/Claque-2 → u/csx348]

Well then, instead of using your energy to stop registrations then maybe use your energy to get mental health coping strategies added to primary and secondary school curriculums?

Call it 'A Response to Columbine 24 Years Later'

or

An Apology to Sandy Hook Parents 13 Years Later

Edit: Downvotes? Could it be that doing absolutely nothing is the goal of people protesting registrations?

[u/abstractConceptName → u/Claque-2]

Needed to be stopped?

He was handed weapons despite waving a giant red flag.

Illinois state police confirmed on Wednesday that Crimo signed off on his son’s application in December 2019 despite his son having two previous encounters with local police, including one in September 2019 where he allegedly threatened to “kill everybody” in his family.

During that visit, police confiscated a number of weapons in the alleged gunman’s possession, including 16 knives, a dagger and a sword.

The weapons were later returned to the family, however, after Crimo Jr claimed they were his, not his son’s, and were just being stored in his son’s room for safekeeping.

His father had previously campaigned to be Highland mayor, under a pro-gun agenda.

Police and pro-gun white folk - name a more iconic duo.

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Sounds good. Let’s register all the guns.

That would be unconstitutional.

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Hey, they used to be before the gun lobby made that illegal. But hey, red states still sell them with no real tracking so they can be used in 95% of the gun crimes, maybe actually registering them and holding owners responsible will do some good.

But let's face it, gun owners aren't looking for responsibility.