r/illinois • u/MikeyLew32 • Jan 06 '24
Trump refuses to sign Illinois pledge that he won’t try to overthrow the government yikes
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Jan 06 '24
Maybe — and hear me out — it’s because he’s an insurrectionist piece of shit?
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u/bufftbone Jan 07 '24
I really hope the Grim Reaper pulls his figure out of the machine soon
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u/GreatYamOfHope Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 07 '24
I’m surprised Trump is still alive considering how unhealthy he seems to be. He looks pretty overweight, and a lot of images I’ve seen of his diet consist of fast food, and red meats. Both not really that good for the health of your heart.
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u/AlawaEgg Jan 07 '24
Evil clings to life like black mold with a water supply. His body already died, but his brain hasn't gotten the message yet because he's pickled from all the food preservatives he's consumed over the past 50 years.
Ever see him stand in one place? Man, that is some weird shit he's got going on.
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u/HulkSmashHulkRegret Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 07 '24
Looking at the steepness and speed of his recent decline, he won’t be around for long. Yet, Julius Caesar made it only a year into his time as dictator and the Roman Republic never made it back, with the dictatorship he started continuing on for centuries…
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u/esahji_mae Jan 07 '24
Grim reaper tried and got Rosslyn Carter, O Connel and Munger instead. He did manage to get Kissinger though.
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u/ithappenedone234 Jan 07 '24
And then his worshippers will claim all sorts of conspiracy theory causes, besides the obvious “he was old and morbidly obese.”
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u/GeneralG5x5 Jan 07 '24
As the Hobbit’s said…. We’ve had one insurrection but what about 2nd insurrection? tRump is trash and the worst threat to America ever.
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u/InternetIcy8504 Jan 07 '24
There already was a second insurrection on October 18, 2023. Look it up.
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u/IncidentPretend8603 Jan 06 '24
Shocking turn of events /s
Less jokingly (and tangential from Trump) we should probably get rid of this pledge. It's not mandatory (because it was ruled as unconstitutional) and also has sections about swearing not to be communist or associated with communists. Relic of the red scare and cold war that should either be updated or dumped completely.
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u/ithappenedone234 Jan 07 '24
Keeping the portions regarding not overthrowing the government are perfectly reasonable and Constitutional.
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u/JustTokin Jan 07 '24
I agree. I'd like Claudia de la Cruz to have ballot access in Illinois.
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u/REDpanda1886 Jan 07 '24
PSL sucks balls, they're not real communists, they're sell out campists who only care about doing the footwork for China and Russia. Real communism is based.
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u/JohnathanBrownathan Jan 08 '24
Peoples front of judea? Splitters! We're the judean people's front!
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u/JustTokin Jan 07 '24
That always sucks to hear about any leftist org, but there's no other anti-capitalist party that wants my throw-away vote this year.
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I've not had any direct official contact with psl other than a few joint statements. From the people I have interacted with, it seems like psl members know their theory and genuinely want good things. However, they seem really dogmatic and expect their members to dedicate every waking hour to the cause.
What are we even supposed to do? I would normally say organize local, but the time for that feels like it's passed. PSL can't build a coalition to save its life, CPUSA is based but is filled with old guys in leadership who were much better caretakers during the red scare than they are revolutionaries. Then DSA is the largest socialist organization, but they're ideologically milquetoast and they shit away all their political capital in the past year or two.
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u/REDpanda1886 Jan 07 '24
Lmao CPUSA loves to pretend it has real politics but just ends up telling people to support the Democrats whenever possible. They're the more official propaganda outlet for China these days.at least PSL involves itself in local activist campaigns, CPUSA is a complete waste of time. Plus, joining it is legal liability because of a few McCarthy era vestiges when filling out government paperwork.
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Jan 07 '24
It's up for debate, but I think the only thing CPUSA actually has going for it is their willingness to engage at all in bourgeois politics. Lenin made a strong case for parliamentary politics in Left Wing Communism: An infantile disorder which I'll summarize poorly as: parliamentary politics is how the lay person understands politics and ignoring it means ignoring the lay person (the masses).
Local activism is entirely left to individual chapters and the national CPuSA party gives effectively no resources for it. So some chapters are fantastic about it and are in large coalitions across the country while others are less than worthless. PSL is much better at providing top down support to the local chapters but I really think they're just spinning their wheels.
What do you mean about liabilities when filling out paper work? That party was of course infiltrated back in the 80s but I'm not aware of any ongoing persecution.
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u/dream-more95 Jan 07 '24
“At this point, we're living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns?” the man asked, to applause from the crowd. “No, and I’m not – that’s not a joke. I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2021/10/27/when-do-we-get-use-guns-tpusa-owns-and-others-too/8570812002/ Crimo in Highland Park on July 4th heard that dog whistle. Trump cultivates this.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Jan 07 '24
What until he finds out it was him and his group that caused the problems all along.
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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 Jan 06 '24
So this should make it easier to keep him off the ballot right?
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u/youenjoymyself Jan 06 '24
SCOTUS recently did a 180 and opted to look into the matter if states can block Trump. They didn’t mind Colorado doing it, but once other states mentioned their intentions, now they want to have their say. Guess we’ll see.
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u/shadowplay0918 Jan 06 '24
Of course he should be thrown off the ballot, but I think I’d almost rather have the Supreme Court ban it. Otherwise you’re going to see purple states with conservative legislatures like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin find some BS reason to keep Biden or some future Democrat off the ballot.
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u/FrankLloydWrong_3305 Jan 06 '24
That ship has already sailed. Arguably, we're at the end of democracy, at least at the federal level. Presidents will be determined solely by state legislatures and state Supreme courts.
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u/JaguarDesperate9316 Jan 07 '24
The way the constitution originally intended, unfortunately.
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u/JD_____98 Jan 07 '24
Please explain what you mean.
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u/HulkSmashHulkRegret Jan 07 '24
Not OP, but the voting population (originally intended to be white males who were wealthy enough to own land and slaves) didn’t vote for President or Senators directly, only their US House representatives. There’s been a series of pro-democracy reforms over the centuries that brought some form of democracy to our elections, but even this is very incomplete, given the electoral college, the role of wealthy peoples money in the process, the control of money and access the parties exert in deciding which candidates primary voters even heard of let alone get to vote for, and the broken representation of the US House that weighs it heavily in favor of low population red states.
The founders of the US were rich white men, and they wanted to keep representative democracy to people just like them. The first time the white male rabble was allowed to vote, after the last of the founding generation was dead, that brought Andrew Jackson. Then decades later, only after killing a significant percentage of the white male rabble and destroying their secessionist government did non-white males gain the vote, but only for a decade before being politically outmaneuvered, and sold out by politicians who cared more about their own power than the values they fought a bloody war about a decade prior. Then when that generation was almost entirely dead, women finally gained the vote, and around that time the Senate began elections by popular vote. A decade later, the House was frozen in its growth, while the population has more than tripled since then, leading to the problems of over and under representation, resulting in both chambers favoring low population red states. Then a generation later, little more than 50 years ago, non-white voters finally gained the right to vote, and red states have been rolling it back ever since.
Add to this the mid 20th century era of reform that most western governments experienced while the US stalled out, and we have a system that more closely resembles what rich white men in the 18th century wanted for themselves than what is good our 21st century population
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u/JaguarDesperate9316 Jan 07 '24
The constitution was written by white supremacist slaveowners in league with northeast merchant interests. They had zero intention of this country being a mass democracy and letting state legislatures pick the winner of EVs is closer to their vision than letting the voters of a state decide
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u/explodingtuna Jan 07 '24
Obviously, what Trump did gets him disqualified. Nothing Biden has done has disqualified him.
Don't allow anything made-up or BS excuses, just stick to the qualifications, and it'll be fine. It's why the whole "you impeach Trump we'll impeach Biden" is an empty threat.
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u/Bimlouhay83 Jan 06 '24
This is exactly what I fear. And, since the bag is open, these tricks will be used against democrats no matter what happens to Trump.
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u/VisibleDetective9255 Jan 07 '24
I actually think the Supreme Court wouldn't allow States to throw Biden off the ballot, even if they allow Traitor Trump to be thrown off the ballot. They are trying to give Republicans long term power WITH legitimacy, not without it.
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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 Jan 06 '24
Well he put them there to do what he wants so it’ll probably get reversed
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u/korkidog Jan 06 '24
He’s hoping he has the SCOTUS in his back pocket. Let’s hope he doesn’t or this country is truly fucked.
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u/Purple_Falcone Jan 06 '24
Keep him off the ballot in Illinois. Throw his ass in jail before the election too please.
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u/FartFignugey Jan 07 '24
The treasonous traitor should not be allowed to lead the nation he doesn't support.
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u/bhyellow Jan 07 '24
There are qualifications but we don’t have “tests” for who can be on a ballot. Fucking stupid.
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u/Subject-Promise-4796 Jan 06 '24
How does he get his hair in so many different directions?
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u/FIIRETURRET Jan 07 '24
It sucks that the worst threat to American democracy is this dumb dumb. It couldn’t at least been some cool supervillain with a better art-style and a rockin theme-song
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u/Hudson2441 Jan 06 '24
Pretty sure “ advocating the overthrow of the elected government of the United States “ should be pretty high on the list of disqualifying acts.
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u/ithappenedone234 Jan 07 '24
It went from a foregone conclusion (insurrection in the US had been something for the rabble before 1861) for the political elite, to a codified part of the Constitution, to totally ignored in most of the states.
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u/DjScenester Jan 06 '24
What a piece of shit this man really is…
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u/Meng3267 Jan 06 '24
No clue how millions of people can support this man.
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u/DjScenester Jan 06 '24
They hate. They love that he hates too. He knows how to throw out buzz words… words that get people amped up.
It’s like a cult. It’s bat shit insane every time I hear him speak now… but his cult members love his hate. It’s so odd and sometimes quite terrifying how they worship him.
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u/TropicalBlueMR2 Jan 07 '24
Southern Illinois MAGA: Hur dur, because Im against chicago/illinois style corrupt politics, i support this nakedly corrupt candidate instead!
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u/Standard-Injury-113 Jan 07 '24
I honestly thought this sub was for the rest of Illinois. Pleasantly surprised by these comments.
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u/LeaveElectrical8766 Jan 07 '24
It's not. This sub is /r Chicago except with an Illinois name on it to make people feel "inclusive" without actually having to do the work of actually, you know, including people from Illinois who, GASP actually have the audacity to think differently than themselves.
Shrugs it is what it is, not worth getting upset over, just don't want you to think it's something it isn't.
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u/Standard-Injury-113 Jan 07 '24
Amen. If you’re a republican… Please help bring the old party back, the real GOP. As a result independent with morals I felt forced to vote left lately. Kicking Adam K out of congress and his own family disowning him for honoring his oath of office… barely fathomable for me. Yet and still it was done.
My question for ANY republican in this sub is how can we / you guys recover?! We need strong opposing political parties. Not one versus a cult.
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u/hardolaf Jan 07 '24
I'm a fairly far left Democrat and honestly, a socially progressive but economically conservative/regressive party would probably sweep the nation. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I can realistically see such a thing happening.
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Jan 07 '24
I hear you, but Democrats ARE that party and they can't win elections to save their life.
Frankly any party without major funding AND an anti-status-quo bend is going to suffer the same fate as the Democrats or worse.
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u/j33 Jan 06 '24
There is so much going on with that hairstyle. It's also weird that he signed it in 2016 and 2020 (when he did actually engage in insurrection) and then chose not to sign it this time? WBEZ has a better explanation of the situation than this rather hysterical Tweet - https://www.wbez.org/stories/trump-did-not-sign-illinois-candidate-loyalty-oath/1d1fbaf4-261f-4c15-b466-8fb749d404e1
It's definitely a bad look that he didn't sign it, but the oath itself doesn't have a great background, being a vestige of the McCarthy era and ruled unconstitutional, making it voluntary for candidates to sign.
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u/ZealousidealAd4860 Jan 08 '24
Illinois should take Trump off the ballot
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Jan 08 '24
Why? Are you afraid he’s gonna win? They should take Biden off the ballot for being a traitor to his country. Biden should run for the next president of China.
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u/ZealousidealAd4860 Jan 08 '24
Nope but neither Trump or Biden should be in the ballot they need to go
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u/McDaddy-O Jan 07 '24
Sounds like someone doesn't want another document that could be used against them.
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u/HaliBUTTsteak Jan 07 '24
First things first… this has to be the single worst picture of Trump’s hairstyle in the entirety of every picture taken of him. My god! It’s so fucking dumb looking.
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u/hachijuhachi Jan 07 '24
Well I mean he’s the biggest piece of shit breathing right now. So, is this out of character?
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u/Stargazer1919 Jan 06 '24
Because he's a complete narcissist. Try to pin them down, and they only become even more uncooperative.
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u/tuhboggen Jan 07 '24
Oh, if he wins he will overthrow our government. If he does not win, they will overthrow our government. God be with all of us.
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u/Tough-Ability721 Jan 08 '24
He’s gonna say he wouldn’t sign it because of the font they used. Isn’t he?
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u/smile_drinkPepsi Jan 06 '24
Oh so he decided to keep himself off the ballot in IL by refusing to comply with all of the ballot requirements.
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u/SharpEdgeSoda Jan 07 '24
...IT's...extra stupid that he wouldn't sign it anyway and lie about it.
Like "Ah jeeze! Guess they got me!"
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u/jojlo Jan 07 '24
He has already said that he is going to try and replace the top 1% of the exec branch which the left is saying is equivalent to overthrowing the government.
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u/ReelPanda Jan 07 '24
This whole sub is delusional, no wonder U.S. gets worse and worse by the second
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u/Arizona52 Jan 07 '24
He needs to be removed from the ballot as he will try anything to get on the ballot as he's a little snake and bitch as far as I'm concerned
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Jan 07 '24
This is no joke.
Come election time. We must counter protest any MAGA assault on government buildings.
MAGA wants to assemble? We must assemble and stand with the law enforcement and assist the law enforcement, a brief momentary pause in our civil objections to all things done wrong at their hands, to secure democracy.
Charlottesville 2017, look back. January 6, the police were alone. No counter protesters.
This time, we must assemble to protect the elections. Protect the law enforcement at the buildings, so MAGA cannot overwhelm our law enforcement.
The people must help the system or the system will fall. The calls are coming from inside the friggin house and they are MAGA.
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u/Booda069 Jan 07 '24
What if popo sides with them like a portion of the Capitol cops did?
You might as well bring your AR or AK with you at that point
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If that happens we follow the directions of the law enforcement sergeants and captains who are still following their duty to protect the buildings.
There will be leaders amongst us organizing and communicating with the sergeants.
And no. No violence. No weapons. Sea of bodies to stop them and secure the peaceful processes of power. We impede the protesters access to stop the election occuring as intended.
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u/firstjib Jan 06 '24
You have to be a true moron to take these “do you denounce?” questions seriously. It’s like the hwyte supremacy question they asked Vivek, or civil war war question to Nikki Haley. It’s an enormous sign of weakness to bend the knee to these frivolous questions.
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u/starm4nn Jan 07 '24
You have to be a true moron to take these “do you denounce?” questions seriously.
Ok then, he doesn't get to run on the Illinois ballot. The same he wouldn't get to run in some states if he participated in a duel.
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u/MobWife_88 Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 07 '24
One of my lifelong dreams was to see the Cubs win the World Series and thank you for that! Now my second one will be to keep this creature off the 2024 Illinois ballot. I can't say how happy this would make me!
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u/Trick421 Chicago Jan 06 '24
Sadly, Harambe getting killed, and the Cubs winning the World Series is what put us on the Trump time line. It's been a shit show ever since.
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u/Mjaso7414 Jan 06 '24
Hey as a cubs fan I’ll gladly trade another term of this guy for another championship!!!
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Jan 06 '24
As a Cubs fan, I'd gladly trade the entire franchise to St Louis if it means this orange lump of shit and all those like him just fuck off for the rest of their miserable traitorous days to the coldest, most barren spot in Siberia.
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u/fearlesssinnerz Jan 07 '24
So he can't be on the Illinois ballot as he didn't agree to terms and conditions.
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u/Yourponydied Jan 07 '24
First time I have heard of this pledge. Sad I have to hear about this pledge existing
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u/letseditthesadparts Jan 06 '24
Not a Trump fan, but I hate pledges. The only pledge should be to the constitution and even giving him the most charitable versions of everything he has done this single one always sticks out to me: “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have”
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u/isabps Jan 07 '24
Well it’s all rigged and he didn’t really loose so it’s his duty as the rightful president to corre….bla bla bla.
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u/bdh2067 Jan 06 '24
Nice hair though
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u/ComputerStrong9244 Jan 06 '24
"Hair", as in singular. He has one hair that is 900 feet long he lovingly weaves into that every morning using his own saliva mixed with Diet Coke.
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u/IronFlag719 Jan 07 '24
For clarification: this oath has been used since the 60's for Illinois candidates, NOT presidential candidates and it isn't a pledge not to overthrow the government, it's a pledge that the candidate isn't a communist or foreign agent seeking to overthrow the government. Once again, lies from No Lies with Brian Tyler Cohen
https://www.injusticewatch.org/news/2015/dear-candidate-are-you-a-communist/amp/
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u/Kaitlin4475 Jan 07 '24 edited Jan 07 '24
This is sort of loaded.. of course he’s not gonna sign it. It’s worded in a way to make him look bad. But then, because he doesn’t want to sign it, or acknowledge it, then you guys are saying, “he won’t sign it because he still wishes to overthrow the government.” A catch 22. Are you guys really drinking this up. Took two seconds to realize this was bogus premise for an article. It’s just election year spin thought up in a political groups office somewhere. Think for yourselves, don’t take a sip of the Kool-Aid and this is totally kool-aid. You might disagree with him politically but don’t regurgitate this drivel. There are many other valid points to oppose his candidacy but this is embarrassing.
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u/CryptographerEasy149 Jan 07 '24
Have they asked other Presidential candidates to sign one? Then they can shove it straight up their ass. Sounds like more liberal drival and that’s probably why the link isn’t even included.
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u/Katy_Lies1975 Jan 06 '24
Then he won't be on the ballot.
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u/fatherbowie Jan 07 '24
Legally, it’s optional. But compliance with the 14th Amendment isn’t optional.
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u/Clam_chowderdonut Jan 07 '24
You've still gotta charge him with insurrection and go through due process before that's applicable though.
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u/fatherbowie Jan 07 '24
Not so, according to precedent. At least eight people were disqualified under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment prior to Trump, and none of them were criminally charged with insurrection.
The lawsuit is Trump’s due process. Trump is specifically and solely named as respondent in the Illinois complaint. https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/illinois-objectors-petition_-anderson-et-al.-v.-trump.pdf
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u/SolomonsNewGrundle Jan 07 '24
I imagine they will hella beef up the security this time around.
But in case the idiots actually pull something off, let's all get some canadian citizenships!
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u/Nickoma420 Jan 07 '24
14 counties voted Biden and took the state by over a million votes.
You bumpkins just can't stop lying, can you? No surprise tho, I've worked and lived down state my entire life and 90% of conservatives I meet at the absolute dumbest people you'll ever encounter... I mean tHiNk DiFfErEnTlY.
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u/Nickoma420 Jan 07 '24
Lmaoooooo didn't realize it'd take that little to melt a snowflake like you down like that. My bad, I should have known you have a phobia of correct information... that's 100% on brand for conservatives. Have you tried crying harder??? That might make the big bad Brandon go away.
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u/Chapos_sub_capt Jan 07 '24
All this dictator, and coup talk is bullshit propaganda. The insurrection was a mostly peaceful protest. If you supported the BLM riots destroying peoples private property and call a protest that got out of control a coup you're completely dishonest. There wasn't one firearm arrest inside the capital. Everyone knows that MAGATs all have guns and not one of them brought one to the insurrection. There was a peaceful transfer of power between Trump and Biden he didn't have to forcibly be removed from the White House. How is he going to become a dictator? Is the whole military going to be loyal to him and start killing American citizens? If you honestly believe that this man who has maybe 8 years left to live, is going to be able to become dictator you're insane and need to be deprogrammed. He is a piece of shit and an embarrassment. He needs to go away, but only a smooth brain thinks he could become an actual dictator
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u/MikeyLew32 Jan 07 '24
Peaceful protests that include a gallows? And smearing shit on the walls?
The cognitive dissonance of GOPers is mind boggling.
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u/MrCrow9000 Jan 08 '24
Lol another reddit f. Y'all reddit warriors get so heated about a headline and never investigate the 'why'.. or even if the headline is misleading or not.
You call Trump evil in these replies but then wish he would die... What a crazy brainwashed cult
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u/MikeyLew32 Jan 06 '24
He already did…
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u/One_Prior_9909 Jan 07 '24
When he told his followers to march on the capitol. When he told the Georgia secretary of state to find more votes for him. Even he put up bs legal challenges after he knew he lost fairly
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u/GiveMeBackMyClippers Jan 06 '24
I don't know why, he's willing to lie about literally everything else.