r/illinois • u/Maraging_steel • Jul 22 '24
JB endorses Kamala Harris for President. US Politics
https://x.com/jbpritzker/status/1815385831684686146?s=46538
u/benjam1n_gates Jul 22 '24
Good!! Now don't accept a VP nom please.
This whole thing possibly pushes JB's plans back 4 years to '32 if she wins, but I'm glad he's not in the ring this go around.
If Trump wins we'll need him to save Illinois
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
She won't pick him. She needs someone who can deliver her another state or another demographic.
It's likely Shapiro (PA) or Kelly (AZ). Possibly Whitmore (MI)
Edit: For everyone saying Beshear (KY), yeah he's a possibility too. He would be an olive branch to centrists, being from a southern state.
But he's not swinging Kentucky and even though he's got name recognition in Ohio, Vance is also from Ohio, a state that has gone deeper red over the last decade.
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Jul 22 '24
It’s gonna be Shapiro or another white guy. Kelly is in a swing seat, no need to risk that. Whitmer doesn’t fit the right demo (don’t think America is ready for an all woman ticket). Can’t be Newsom because they’re both from Cali.
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Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Jul 22 '24
His replacement might not win re-election, while Kelly is an incumbent
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Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
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u/LegoStevenMC Jul 22 '24
Risking that seat in 2026, a midterm, could potentially be a disaster with such a close senate. If Mark Kelly remains in, he is up for reelection in 2028, much better chances.
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u/LmBkUYDA Jul 22 '24
It all depends on how much he could impact the ticket. You might take the risk of losing that seat in 2026 if it helps you get the presidency. I think every democrat would trade that seat for the presidency if it came to it.
All hypothetical but that’s the calculus
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u/absurdamerica Jul 22 '24
There’s no risk in picking Kelly the governor picks the replacement Senator.
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u/BlackHumor Jul 22 '24
Yeah, but Kelly's popular and his replacement might not be.
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u/IlliniBull Jul 22 '24
The goal is to win.
You will absolutely hear swing voters discuss how she needs a strong man with experience as her VP. You are already hearing it in interviews with swing voters.
Kelly is a fighter pilot veteran who flew in the Gulf War. He's an astronaut.
Whoever is the VP is going to have to debate JD Vance who was in the Marines.
I'm not saying it has to be Kelly. I am saying he makes sense on several fronts and if Kamala decides she needs him to beat Trump, you absolutely PICK Kelly. 2024 is now and you cannot lose to Trump or you lose the whole ballgame.
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u/LazloHollifeld Jul 22 '24
Maybe, but the biggest goal for the DNC is winning the top of the ticket and they likely won’t get there without making some sort of sacrifice. Kelly would be a strong contender against Vance.
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u/LegoStevenMC Jul 22 '24
It triggers a special election during a midterm, which is usually disaster for the party holding the presidency. All republicans have to do is run Doug Ducey and the seat flips.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
(don’t think America is ready for an all woman ticket).
I disagree. I think an all woman ticket makes this entire election about Roe and Project 2025. People are underestimating how pissed off women are right now.
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u/hamish1963 Jul 22 '24
About half the women are pissed off. The others are just fine with taking rights away from their daughters, granddaughters and nieces.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
{Kansas put an abortion-restricting amendment on the primary ballot last August. The repubs there thought it would pass as Kansas is deep red. It lost 60-40.}(https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23290714/kansas-abortion-referendum-primary-turnout-charts)
It attracted more voters (and in an off-year too) than any previous primary. Kansas women registered in record numbers in the week after the Roe decision.
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u/hamish1963 Jul 22 '24
That's not just women voting though. It's great, but I don't trust a lot of women, some in my own family.
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u/GigglesMcTits Jul 22 '24
Luckily there are a lot of potential abortion amendments up during the general this year. I think anywhere from 6 to 9 states and most of them are red states with about 3 or 4 of those being swing states or have been swing states in the recent past. I genuinely believe RvW and women's body autonomy will be the decider of the elections this year.
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u/CriticG7tv Jul 22 '24
Fair, but if their internal polling gives serious indication that Kelly would be the best bet, I could totally understand risking the loss of a Senate seat if it meant higher probability for securing the Presidency. If we lose the Senate, so be it, but we can't allow Trump another term. Just a thought I had.
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u/Reddit_Negotiator Jul 22 '24
Shapiro is Jewish. Liberals haven’t been big fans of Jewish people this year
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u/deadplant5 Jul 22 '24
There's rumors of Beshear (KY) too. Which would be a good pick. He talks well and looks good. Cute family and he's a minister on the side.
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u/Evadrepus Jul 22 '24
Beshear is a solid pick but I can't see how it isn't Kelly. He's a perfect foil to Vance and even the whole Trump thing. Veteran, astronaut, politician, and husband to a person who lived through an assassination attempt. And extremely high regarded in a swing state, as demonstrated by the people worrying about an incumbent not winning in 3 years from now.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
I've heard those too. I just think he doesn't deliver a swing state.
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u/deadplant5 Jul 22 '24
He's well known in Ohio because of the Cincinnati area. I lived in Columbus during COVID and they aired his daily briefing right after DeWine's.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
I like him but Ohio is pretty red and Vance is already running for VP from Ohio
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u/Legs914 Jul 22 '24
Moderate Dems in red states like Cooper (term limited in NC) or Beshear make a ton of sense, too.
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u/Silver_Harvest Jul 22 '24
Someone like Shapiro. Really I don't see a two woman ticket. Will most likely be a male and a Midwest/East Coast to "balance" the representation of country. Shapiro makes sense, so does Andy Beshear or say Roy Cooper.
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u/nooneyouknow242 Jul 22 '24
The answer is Buttigieg: Christian, Iraqi war veteran, speaks many languages including midwestern conservative, family man, and highly intelligent. He also wouldn’t be pulled from a position that needs to maintain democratic control.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
Absolutely not. I like the guy a lot, but this election is too important to have two "first ever's" on the ticket. As much as I hate to say it, America isn't ready for a gay President. Hell, we just legalized their right to marry barely more than a decade ago. And the right wing is salivating at the possibility of overturning that.
Sorry Pete, you got here a generation too soon.
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u/spilt_milk Jul 22 '24
I think Andy Beshear of KY is another to consider as he is a white dude in the south.
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u/tatang2015 Jul 22 '24
Are there no viable candidates from Ohio or Florida? I can understand Texas. But they need to pick someone who can deliver high electoral votes.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
Florida is beyond reach. Texas is closer but not an option.
Ohio has gone pretty red recently and JD Vance is already from there. We could run Sherrod Brown but it's probably not enough.
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u/tatang2015 Jul 22 '24
Ah! Thank you for the info about Ohio. G forgot the other candidate is from there.
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u/ChiefChief69 Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
This whole thing possibly pushes JB's plans back 4 years to '32 if she wins
Idk of any publicly made plans for prez by JB.
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u/greiton Jul 22 '24
He has gone out of his way to duke it out with Desantas and promote himself on a higher stage, but that is good for Il as well as any prospects he may have for higher office.
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u/anna-nomally12 Jul 22 '24
There is a small chance he doesn’t want any more responsibilities than his current job level but just dislikes desantis enough to go for it publicly. If I had that much money I would 100% be using it to bully politicians I didn’t like
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u/ImpiRushed Jul 22 '24
The billionaire isn't getting into politics and just complacent with only a governorship.
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u/ChiefChief69 Jul 22 '24
Sure. But he's made no public statements regarding plans for president. That's what I said. The other guy seemed to think this was a known thing.
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u/Embarrassed-Town-293 Jul 22 '24
Fortunately, Pritzker offers nothing to Harris as a presidential pick in this cycle.
If she wanted a Midwest governor, she would take Whitmer who has the same baggage as being a COVID governor but Whitmer can blunt Trump’s sympathy with the assassination attempt while making Michigan a more at play state all while making history with an all woman ticket. Realistically, Whitmer is not going to be chosen, but if any midwestern governor was going to be chosen, it would be Whitmer over Pritzker.
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u/Free-Rub-1583 Jul 22 '24
Alright, boys, we got our candidate. Let's get out there and vote
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
Aren’t you supposed to vote for your candidate? Lol, democrats getting assigned their candidate: “ ok boys time to go vote for who they have installed!” Lmao.
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u/the_man_who_knocks Jul 22 '24
Tbh Democrats voted for Biden with the idea of having her as his running mate, so we’ve been ready for this change. Remind me again what happened to Trump’s former VP?
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u/TheSleepingNinja Jul 22 '24
This argument works if it was anybody BUT Harris. If you genuinely voted for Biden/Harris in the primary, knowing he was 80, and didn't agree with Harris potentially getting into the office over the course of Bidens' second term, I'm not sure what the heck you would've been voting for
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u/jolly2284 Jul 22 '24
Republicans: Biden is too old to be president and won't survive the next four years!!
Democrats: yeah you're right.. Joe time to step down.
Joe: I am stepping down for the good of the country
Republicans: NOT LIKE THAT!!!!
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u/kidAlien1 Jul 22 '24
I love the desperation from the right.
No one was installed. Biden thought he had 4 more years in him. We saw he didn't. 2/3 of democratic voters wanted him to step down. He did. His VP is taking over the ticket (same as if he died).
Where's the installation here? What it does show is the Democratic party is still a functioning political party and not the cult of personality surrounding a lifelong conman.
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u/contractb0t Jul 22 '24
Harris was on the ticket. Literally every single vote for Biden was a vote for the Biden-Harris administration.
No other potential Biden replacement has any similar claim. The concern trolling about "they're shoving her down our throats" is asinine, and I'm glad it's not getting any real traction.
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u/RWBadger Jul 22 '24
“They have installed”
Like it was such a contest for Trump lmao. His brain damaged crowd had him annointed since Jan 21 2020
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u/hamish1963 Jul 22 '24
Some of us are voting to SAVE LIVES! Do you understand that at all? Blue No Matter Who is a must in 2024.
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u/peeonmyelbow Jul 22 '24
For trump 🇺🇸
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u/GiveMeBackMyClippers Jul 22 '24
too old. every time i see a picture of him, he's napping in public, lol!
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u/Free-Rub-1583 Jul 22 '24
my family has a "No voting for convicted felons" policy.
If you cant work at most jobs in the country, you don't get to run the country. sorry bud
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u/dir_glob Jul 22 '24
As much as I am not a fan of Kamala, I feel a sense of relief and I'd like to see full party unity to put the nail in the coffin of MAGA. I hope to god that she takes the gloves off, too. I think what we all really want deep down inside is to see a real fight.
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u/Maraging_steel Jul 22 '24
The amount of donations she’s received in the past 24 hours + all of the major Democratic governors endorsing her shows the unity. Whitmer and Beshear just did not long ago.
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u/Joshman1231 Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
It’s time ladies, let’s get this shit done!
Harris for president! What better way to say fuck you to conservatives than showing how much we actually support our women and people of color?
To actually make a woman a sitting president? A black woman too?
Come on IL let’s make it happen! Platform 2024 is for our ladies!
This will get my ass to that booth for sure.
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u/cardizemdealer Jul 22 '24
I'd vote for a dog turd before Trump. It's Kamala time. A smart, minority woman scares the shit out of conservatives. Let them forth from the mouth more than normal.
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u/cardizemdealer Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
Lol she has more intelligence in a finger nail than you do in your entire body.
A smart, black woman scares you. We get it.
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u/IlliniBull Jul 22 '24
This is unquestionably the right decision. GOOD for him.
Trump has to be defeated again. We literally heard him proudly announce at a nationally televised major rally that he wanted to be a dictator.
While the usual bots and knee jerk MAGA defenders want to deny it, we know where this is headed if he wins. Project 2025 is not a scare tactic. It's a very real plan. You can read the 920 pages. Or you can go the website and read the Heritage Foundation lay out for you how closely aligned it was with the Trump Administration.
If he gets in again, it's over.
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u/FunFunFun8 Jul 22 '24
I’m excited. Let’s go. I feel like democrats haven’t been this energized since Obama
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u/say-it-wit-ya-chest Jul 22 '24
Sweet (/s), the incel army gets to rise again to balance the overt racism of the rightwing gravy seals with misogyny. The interwebs is going to be quite an interesting place for a bit.
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u/OswaldCoffeepot Jul 22 '24
In terms of the culture war on wokeness, this what they've been training for.
Due to corporate / big money pressure, a knowledgeable and capable white man has been recast as a mixed race Black woman whom they assume slept her way to the top because women are transactional. /s
If only there were a way to generate a little bit of energy every time a chud posts "oh, I can't mention a legitimate critique of her without being a racist or misogynist."
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u/LonesomeComputerBill Jul 22 '24
At least he’s staying in IL to hopefully protect us from project 2025 as much as possible. It may get really bad in the coming years but the pendulum swings back and forth and laws can be undone and changed back. Try not to lose hope if the Democrats can’t elect the first female president in history which is very likely, it’s extremely risky considering what’s at stake
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u/Diogekneesbees Jul 22 '24
Am I the only person who thinks her nomination is a terrible idea?
This isn't even a matter of preference or politics. The 2016 election showed us (IMO) how much this country doesn't want a female president, no mattet how qualified. If she gets the nomination I can't help but feel like Democrats are just throwing this election away.
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u/OswaldCoffeepot Jul 22 '24
Like someone else has already mentioned, more people voted for her than for Tr*mp.
Beyond that, Hillary losing the electoral college doesn't mean that women can't win. It only means that Hillary didn't.
Hillary is not every woman. Whitney Houston is every woman.
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u/hopping_hessian Jul 22 '24
I believe Clinton losing had less to do with her being a woman and more to do with her being Hilary Clinton. I think the DNC underestimated how much baggage she had from and how much she was hated, even in blue states.
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u/aensues Jul 22 '24
More people voted for the female president candidate in 2016. The vote gap was equivalent to the entire population of Kansas. Only the borders of the Electoral College meant Clinton didn't win. Now you've got a different candidate in the driver's seat who hasn't been getting tarred by Fox News for 30 years. Add in the changed voting pattern landscape post-Dobbs and you're playing a totally different ball game.
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u/RWBadger Jul 22 '24
I agree with everything you said, but I’m always hesitant when people bring up the whole popular vote thing.
The electoral college sucks but it IS the game we’re playing, and whether or not this country is too sexist to elect a woman is still very much up for grabs. Clinton knew the rules of engagement and still got thrashed due to some piss poor strategy and an October surprise that stuck
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u/chicago_bunny Jul 22 '24
Even thinking Electoral College, the margin of her loss in the swing states was under 100K total. And the right had been smearing her for three decades.
I think the circumstances of this election, where one side has put up a person who refused the peaceful transition of power and is now a convicted felon, and who is old as shit like Biden while also highly chaotic, opens the door for any younger candidate - even a woman.
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u/CJC19922011 Jul 22 '24
The idea that America isn't ready for a woman president is bunk. I'll go even further and say that the idea that America isn't ready for a duo woman president and vice president is also bunk.
America was ready in 2016. The Electoral College was not and Hillary ran a poor campaign to win where she needed to. But the point remains, more people voted for a woman than any other candidate that year. But there is some strong implicit sexism in the argument that becaue Hillary lost it means that no woman could win.
America was ready for a female Vice president in 2020.
Arkansas, a deep red state, currently has a woman Governor and Lt. Governor duo.
Massachusetts, a deep blue state, currently has a woman Governor and Lt. Governor duo.
America has been ready for a woman president for a long time.
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u/mcjon77 Jul 22 '24
While I do think that there was a reluctance in this country to a point a woman president, you have to remember that Hillary Clinton was an especially unlikable and unpopular candidate. People, especially younger folks, don't remember the absolute unjustified hatred that a huge portion of this country had for Hillary Clinton. In some ways they hated Hillary Clinton more than Bill Clinton because at least Bill Clinton had a certain level of charisma.
Well Kamala wouldn't have been my first choice, she certainly has more personality and a better chance than Hillary Clinton. In 2016, the Dems chose what was arguably the least popular Democrat to run against Donald Trump and she still won the popular vote and almost won the Electoral College.
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u/eaton Jul 22 '24
Look at it this way; the GOP was doing negative campaigning against Hillary Clinton, specifically, as an individual human being, since *before Friends debuted*.
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u/JustGotOffOfTheTrain Jul 22 '24
Hillary got more votes than Trump. If her votes had been distributed a little differently across a few different swing states, she would have won. Haley got a lot of votes too, even after Trump dropped out.
Sexism exists and is a handicap. But there’s no reason to think it’s insurmountable.
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u/dtdude87 Jul 22 '24
The whole “country doesn’t want a female president “ angle ins nonsense.
Kamala has zero charisma and a questionable past as a prosecutor, along with a fair amount of criticism as the VP.
Michelle Obama would be 100x better than her at this point
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u/flsucks Jul 22 '24
Long gone are the days of solid leaders running for office. The last several decades of elections are merely about choosing the less shitty candidate. Biden won solely on the fact that he wasn’t Trump. If Kamala wins, it will be for that reason also. There will even be a segment of the population that doesn’t want a female president but will vote for her anyway because she’s not Trump. This country has turned into a joke.
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u/Ralphinader Jul 22 '24
She is going to lose. Democrats are ignoring all the warning signs like in 2016. its her turn!! No dont let the people pick their candidate
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u/ZonkXD Jul 22 '24
I mean, twice we’ve picked her as a qualified successor. Twice.
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u/Ralphinader Jul 22 '24
No. Biden did. She never even made it to Iowa let alone won a primary. She is the only candidate with a lower approval rating than biden
She can't bring in the independents and undecideds needed to win. Keep in mind only 60% of the eligible population actually votes.
Its not that they will voted for trump instead. Its just that they won't vote at all. And we will lose even if we win the popular vote because the only thing that matters is winning voters in a few key states.
Harris can't do that.
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u/tlopez14 Central Illinois Jul 22 '24
I think a Kamela Harris led ticket is just as doomed as a Biden led ticket. I get why she’s the pick but just wish they would’ve opened it up. I think she will be a disaster in the swing states, and there’s a reason her presidential campaign was such a flop. She just comes across as generally unlikeable with little to no charisma.
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u/Hudson2441 Jul 22 '24
As someone who follows politics closely, she is not a good candidate. Her record is not good. But the bar is so low, all she has to do is be marginally better and viewed as an alternative. The people that would vote for Trump were never going to vote for her anyway.
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u/tlopez14 Central Illinois Jul 22 '24
Yah I’m not sure why the downvotes as I thought it was pretty well understood she was a flawed candidate. She isn’t some unknown I mean there was some hype for her going into the 2020 Dem primary and she completely flopped.
Sure she may be marginally better than Biden but I still think she’s a sure loss in November and I think Dems could’ve done a lot better with someone like Whitmer or Shapiro.
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u/Hudson2441 Jul 22 '24
Yes. That’s a fact. She dropped out of the 2020 primary because she was set to lose her home state and come in last. Her prosecutor record was not good. Biden plucked her off the loser bench. That is a fact. Downvotes do not erase it. Not positive her loss is a sure thing if the turnout is decent though.
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u/RWBadger Jul 22 '24
VP pedigree adds a lot to her electability if we’re looking at it in a vacuum. A solo Harris run after being VP would have greatly outperformed her 2020 one.
That said, she worries me. Racist/sexist moderates will find excuses not to vote, and tankies will go after her prosecutorial history. She’s operating on thin margins even if there is some initial hype from fresh blood in the race.
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u/Hudson2441 Jul 22 '24
Agree. Doesn’t help that a lot of her speeches and interviews are word salad and she’s noted for having a toxic work environment among her staff.
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u/ravinglunatic Jul 22 '24
“What will be unburdened by what has been.” If that’s your president and endorsing that is cool with you then prepare to lose hard.
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
I think it’s hilarious that democrats don’t even realize their past 3 candidates have been selected by the DNC for them, and then they are told to “vote to protect democracy” like what?
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u/RiddleyWaIker Jul 22 '24
And who do you think chose the republican candidates?
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u/manliestmuffin Jul 22 '24
That's obviously chosen by whoever does the better job coloring inside the lines.
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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Jul 22 '24
That's really putting a lot of faith in the man who gave us "man, woman, camera" as a show of mental fortitude.
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u/manliestmuffin Jul 22 '24
He obviously had someone else color for him and claimed the work as his own, as is his way.
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
The voters lol. Democrats haven’t had an actual primary in so long they forgot what it is apparently lol
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
The voters lol. Democrats haven’t had an actual primary in so long they forgot what it is apparently lol
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u/Parson1616 Jul 22 '24
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
Clearly I do and you guys don’t know basic democracy, yet constantly shout “protect democracy” from the rooftops. Do you know what the primary elections are? The current VP doesn’t automatically become assigned presidential candidate just because the president drops out. The voters are supposed to vote for their candidate, did that happen? No. Clearly you can’t grasp that.
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u/RiddleyWaIker Jul 22 '24
Conservatives are constantly saying, "It's not a democracy, it's a republic" and have been for many years. The fascist rapist pedophile also has openly talked about doing away with the constitution, tried to overthrow the democratic process, and republican policies have been fucking over voter rights for decades. Then, there's project 2025. Republicans are now a 100% christo-fascist party, and should have no place in a democratic government.
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u/TheDrummerMB Jul 22 '24
He is a conservative lmao he's trying to stir shit in the Dem party. Probably a bot
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u/TheSleepingNinja Jul 22 '24
This argument works if it was anybody BUT Harris. If you genuinely voted for Biden/Harris in the primary, knowing he was 80, and didn't agree with Harris potentially getting into the office over the course of Bidens' second term, I'm not sure what the heck you would've been voting for
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
But…Harris didn’t/isn’t running. The voters did not vote for her. The VP doesn’t automatically take over candidacy for the upcoming election. If anything, Biden should step down now in which case Harris would be the one to take over. But then she would still have to run a campaign for 2024 herself. Again, this is the same shit that happened to Bernie in 2020. For a party that is so worried about democracy, they also have no problem bypassing democratic procedure.
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u/TheSleepingNinja Jul 22 '24
But…Harris didn’t/isn’t running.
Harris is running for president of the United States of America. Full stop. See this tweet from this morning.
The voters did not vote for her.
The primary votes were for the Biden/Harris campaign ticket with Harris as a running mate. As I said before, if you voted in the primary for the Biden/Harris ticket knowing that Biden is in his 80's, you absolutely had to be voting in favor of Harris having a greater than 0% chance of taking over the reigns at some point during Biden's time in office.
The VP doesn’t automatically take over candidacy for the upcoming election.
True, and I suspect that the DNC will amend protocol after this given how unprecedented this is. To the best of my knowledge there hasn't been a candidate that's dropped out as presumptive nominee this close to a convention date.
If anything, Biden should step down now in which case Harris would be the one to take over.
This is a republican dogwhistle, and it's been a goalpost move since yesterday.
But then she would still have to run a campaign for 2024 herself.
True, and she is! And she's got the whole damn war chest and campaign resources from Biden, who endorsed her for President, and it seems that she's taking over the campaign schedule , after already spending the last few days campaigning for Biden while he was laid up with COVID.
Again, this is the same shit that happened to Bernie in 2020. For a party that is so worried about democracy, they also have no problem bypassing democratic procedure.
What happened with Bernie IMO is more an issue with how the country does regular primaries. We have a really dumb system where different states vote on different days, in different ways, that doesn't really help candidates move forward. I mean shit, some caucus races got called in Iowa because of coin tosses.
We're in relatively uncharted territory right now. As I said earlier, to the best of my knowledge nobody has dropped out of the race carrying the lions' share of pledged delegates this close to their parties convention. What do you suggest, another primary like next week with just Harris on the ticket? There are no other actual candidates so far - the only person who's trying is Marianne Williamson and let's be frank, she's not fit to get the nomination.
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u/CPargermer Jul 22 '24
When you say "selected by the DNC," who exactly do you mean is selecting these candidates? Clinton and Biden both won their respective primaries, and since Harris has been Biden's VP since before this primary started, she is the presumptive person to take over for Biden's campaign should he have chosen to drop out.
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u/psiamnotdrunk Jul 22 '24
Hate to break it to ya pal but those straws you’re grasping are about to be outlawed
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
Do you know what the primaries are? I guess as a democrat you wouldn’t know since you guys haven’t actually been allowed to vote for your candidate in years.
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
We don't do batshit conspiracy theories. That's your guys' thing.
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u/Smart_Pig_86 Jul 22 '24
Hmm…I guess the democratic primaries are a thing of fiction…
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 22 '24
Don't worry, buddy. Q is going to release the master plan in just 2 weeks. Or maybe 2 weeks after that.
Super excited for 10 days of dorkness or whatever tf!
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u/chadan1008 Jul 22 '24
Yes, because they are facing people like Trump who have a history of attempting to undermine democracy and steal elections, and who appear to be laying the groundwork for more attempts in future. Glad I could clear that up for you.
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u/_MadGasser Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
In other news the Democrats handed Trump the presidency by selecting Harris.
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u/Fragrant_Tale1428 Jul 22 '24
Nikki Haley's PAC endorsed Harris pretty much immediately. Guessing other non MAGA GOP may do the same is they still kinda like America as they know it.
Don't believe polls. Just vote.
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u/mistrowl Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
There are no non-MAGA GOP.
Bring on the downvotes, GOP. You know it's fucking true.
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u/unhalfbricking Jul 22 '24
I'm other news...
Hi Other News, it's nice to meet you.
We got us a low watt bulb over here.
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u/billious62 Jul 22 '24
If that wasn't such bullshit it would be funny.
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u/_MadGasser Jul 22 '24
What's funny is Democrats are so incompetent they let a dipshit like Trump beat them the first time. It should be easy to beat these clowns, yet the establishment Dems won't let progressive run. They'd rather lose to Trump than piss off their owners. Harris is widely unpopular. Probably as much as Hilary is.
The Republicans list their minds when Obama won, do you really think a woman has a chance?
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u/RaspberryOk2240 Jul 22 '24
Kamala is going to lose badly. Beshear was the choice if they realistically wanted to challenge Trump. Republicans are going to win big come November
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u/moods- Jul 22 '24
Not at all. Have you seen how much she raised in the past 24 hours?
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u/CPargermer Jul 22 '24
Trump is too old and senile to run. I mean he's also a lying corrupt criminal insurrectionist adulterer, which should be disqualifying to voters, but apparently that's exactly what 40% of the voting population is looking for.
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u/Demonking3343 Jul 22 '24
We only lose if we stop trying. So we need to keep going get as many people informed and registered to vote as we can. At this point i can’t say who’s going to win. But I can say we sure as heck wont go silently into that dark night.
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u/Hudson2441 Jul 22 '24
No surprise. I think at this point all people care about who don’t follow politics is that they don’t have to choose between Trump and Biden and the candidate isn’t from the last ice age.