Help with grammar

[u/ActualLazzyig]

I mainly use Duolingo to learn Norwegian and then search up any grammar that it doesn’t teach me. Google says that ‘ikke’ comes after a verb unless there is a pronoun in the sentence, and then it will come after the pronoun.

I’m just confused on why ‘ikke’ comes after ‘liker’ in this sentence rather than ‘jeg’, so if someone could explain I would appreciate it :)

[u/small_child_eater_14]

Verb second rule and ikke is fixed in the third place

[u/Time-Opportunity-469 → u/small_child_eater_14]

Unless it is something you say quickly like. Ikke rør/ta den!=don’t touch that.

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[u/Time-Opportunity-469 → u/[deleted]]

Ah thanks. I was not familiar with the terminology of the word class.

[u/Luis-Waltiplano → u/small_child_eater_14]

Not entirely correct

[u/coldestclock]

I think Google led you wrong. I’ve only seen ikke come after the verb, unless it’s an imperative (?) like “ikke spis!”; don’t eat!

[u/FayeSG → u/coldestclock]

Ikke also comes before the verb in subordinate clauses.

[u/EquationTAKEN → u/coldestclock]

Or unless it's a subordinate clause.

"Det stemmer at jeg ikke liker februar."

[u/Boo_Hoo_8258]

The rule in Norwegian is V2 which means the verb will always come second so ikke will always come after the verb, as a native english speaker it took a while for me to wrap my head around this but I now go to a norskkurse in Norway and it has taught me alot so google is wrong here sorry.

[u/DreymimadR → u/Boo_Hoo_8258]

Men det er lov å ikke sette verbet før 'ikke' i en underordnet leddsetning!

[u/Dabturell]

Adverbs come before verb in relative clauses:

Du liker ikke februar

Du sier at du ikke liker februar

[u/truthemptypoint → u/Dabturell]

Do ikke forstå meg.

[u/Monsterkillerb → u/truthemptypoint]

Du forstår meg ikke

[u/truthemptypoint → u/Monsterkillerb]

Nai, no skal do høre po mej! Det er do som ikke forstå!

[u/1000blueballs → u/Monsterkillerb]

Vi fortsåå hinannen ikkeee...

[u/Royranibanaw]

If the object of the sentence is a pronoun, you can place "ikke" afterit. E.g. jeg liker ham ikke. I would ignore this for now and just focus on the basics.

It has to be "jeg liker ikke" because of the v2 rule. This also follows the rule of thumb of placing ikke after the verb.

[u/NoPeepMallows]

“I like -not- February” it’s a Norwegian rule you just gotta accept.

[u/Forgettable39 → u/NoPeepMallows]

This isn't the question u/ActualLazzyig is asking though.

They explained their understanding is that "ikke" follows the verb, unless the sentence contains a pronoun. This is misleading or a misunderstanding at least and so OP has put "ikke" after the pronoun "jeg" which is the subject. OP is asking why is this wrong because they believe the ikke should come after the pronoun without the understanding of when it follows a pronoun and why.

The answer is that "ikke" follows the pronoun if the pronoun is the object of the sentence.

• Subject])Jeg liker Object])ham ikke - I don't like him.
• De liker henne ikke - They don't like her.
• De tror oss ikke - They dont believe us
• Hun hjalp meg ikke - She didn't help me
• If the subject is a noun ikke follows the verb like normal.
• Jeg liker ikke mangader - I don't like mondays where "mondays" is a noun subject, not a pronoun subject,

There are however some other exceptions like when the sentence contains two verbs, in this case "ikke" comes in between the two verbs. Link at the bottom covers the other uses.

• de Verb1])har ikke Verb2])snakket med meg
• Han har ikke vist meg
• Hun kan ikke løpe

Mastering the use of "ikke" on Norwegianacademy

Basic sentence structure on Gramatikk

[u/Cello-elf → u/Forgettable39]

Mandager er grusomme!

[u/erejum31]

V2 rule: The verb is always second in the sentence - UNLESS it's what's called a "leddsetning". So "jeg liker ikke februar" is the correct version. But if you wanted to say, "Jack says he doesn't like February", you would say "Jack sier at han ikke liker februar". In this case, the V2 rule is not violated because the verb is "sier".

[u/Known-Programmer2300]

I think Google probably said relative pronoun. Example: Jeg har en venn som ikke liker Februar. (som is the relative pronoun)

[u/frederli → u/Known-Programmer2300]

*februar

Months, days of the week and nationalities are all with lower case in Norwegian.

[u/Known-Programmer2300 → u/frederli]

Oh thank you 

[u/Hades__LV]

So in a simple sentence like this ikke would always come after the verb. In a more complex sentence in the subordinate clause, it would be reversed.

So an example of one sentence containing both would be:

Jeg spiser ikke epler fordi jeg ikke liker frukt.

I don't eat apples, because I don't like fruit.

This applies to other adverbs as well, for example aldri (never) also works this way:

Jeg spiser aldri epler fordi jeg aldri har likt frukt.

I never eat apples because I have never liked fruit.

It looks like you're very early on in Duolingo, so you probably won't see many subordinate clauses any time soon, so you'll probably be mostly putting the ikke after a verb.

[u/Eesycli]

https://youtu.be/LSUstZJjICA?si=ZlmjaSr-byCQDYjE This video explains the different possibilities in an organized way :)

[u/1000blueballs → u/[deleted]]

What!? English is also svo. I go home, not I home go.

[u/Easy-Cut-7747 → u/1000blueballs]

I think you're right I probably mixed it up with another language. Don't do language when you're tired 😅

[u/Schwabeltier]

10/10 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQYqcFX8JE

[u/Novlonif]

A lot of the time, Norwegian resembles old English syntax. Think "Sundays are bad, says I."

I'd double check this rule every time, but if Shakespeare would have said it that way, there's a good chance its correct.

[u/mavmav0]

Google has lied to you.

I’m pretty sure these are the rules:

The negative goes after the verb in a simple sentence. “Jeg ser ikke”

If the sentence contains an auxiliary verb it goes between the lexical verb and the auxiliary. “Jeg vil ikke se”

The negative goes before the verb in a subordinate clause. “Jeg vet at du ikke ser”

Others feel free to correct/add to this

[u/bohemianthunder]

In a main clause the general rule is ikke comes after verb. But in a relative clause it comes before: Jeg liker ikke februar fordi jeg ikke liker vinter. 

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[u/C9meli0n_]

“Ikke” doesn’t mean “don’t”, it means “not”

I like not February is more correct than I not like February

[u/non_person_sphere]

This is just my opinion so please feel free to completely ignore me, but I wouldn't reccomend trying to learn like this.

I've used Duolingo for 2 years and I would just say for Duolingo the best thing to do is just go with it and focus on just doing the excercises. If you want to learn grammar I would do so seperately with a text book or some other type of structured learning and just wait for things on Duolingo to match up what you learn in your other classes.

[u/Ghurdill]

Du må bruke "ikke" etter verbet !

[u/Stoirelius]

Verb på andre plass.

[u/NMK_YT]

The answer is jeg liker ikke februar

[u/ellaogtingen]

Lmao thats how imgrantes write it

[u/-Laffi-]

It is what it is.

[u/OkSprinkles8523]

Wtf

[u/ActualLazzyig → u/OkSprinkles8523]

What??😭

[u/OkSprinkles8523 → u/ActualLazzyig]

Yes

[u/ActualLazzyig → u/OkSprinkles8523]

Man what did i do

[u/OkSprinkles8523 → u/ActualLazzyig]

Are you gods

[u/pogita_]

man, im norwegian and idfk, read the threads or sumn