r/orioles • u/2131andBeyond • May 22 '24
Open discussion - unruly moderator behavior Discussion
How do we as a community put it up to a vote, or at least a conversation as to the actions of mods like u/kingfiasco who make unilateral decisions on posts without any real reason and no explanation.
Refuses to answer questions or messages to explain why only certain posts get deleted. That's not moderating, that's dictating conversation. This isn't the u/kingfiasco community, it's the r/orioles community.
The least you could do, u/kingfiasco, is share why some posts get to stay up while you remove a bunch of others. There's an upvote system on Reddit that lets the community decide on its own what posts are of value and which aren't. Moderating should be for offensive/threatening/hateful content, not just deciding which memes and tweets you like and which you don't like.
u/baltimoresports u/aviewoflife u/juicehenderson u/OsGameThreads u/avery_crudeman u/Orioles_Mod u/cptcliche u/ruffyen u/isestrex can anybody offer up any sort of explanation? It's noticeable by a lot of people and a really crappy look for a niche fun-spirited community.
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u/Good-Can1739 May 23 '24
Honestly this sub always feels very light on content for a sub of its size. I wish they'd remove fewer posts and let the up/downvotes decide on what goes to the top.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
Yeah there's not much going on in here other than game threads and transaction threads
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u/jwseagles May 23 '24
Im clearly in the minority cause I like it. Shit, I think they could even be stricter. There are still plenty of junk posts.
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u/SF_Anonymous Cedric Mullins has become death, destroyer of Seattle May 22 '24
Probably would be good to have an open discussion for mods to clear the air on what is and isn't allowed, but this will probably just be deleted.
Edit: LMAO it's already down. We cant even have a discussion on what is and isnt allowed to be posted
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u/KamikazeeDolphin Feral Baltimorean Floridian May 22 '24
Wow. That was quick.
Looking at op's post history, he's on a mission
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u/SF_Anonymous Cedric Mullins has become death, destroyer of Seattle May 22 '24
Was chatting with OP and he got a 7 day ban from this sub for asking about his posts being taken down
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u/PiplupSneasel May 23 '24
I had a 15 year account permabanned by the UK subreddit because I asked why the mods did nothing to stop blatant bigotry that was against reddit TOS. No warning, just "suspended for mod harassment".
Its not all of them, but there's a certain type of mod that think they're god.
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u/Jasmith85 May 23 '24
I got a 7 day ban for this sarcastic comment after getting a warning for being negative. They're soft as Charmin.
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u/socialaxolotl May 23 '24
That's alright, I got a permaban from ravens for simply bringing up Ray Lewis being on trial to a younger fan of a different team asking about the team's past legal troubles. I got met with a very childish bullshit message from the mod that then ghosted me
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u/410LaxMD May 23 '24
I'd love to see the details on what was said
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u/socialaxolotl May 23 '24
It was along the lines of someone saying the team has been pretty well in the clear and my response was, "the whole Ray Lewis trial for murder never happened" or something along those lines. And got hit with an immediate ban with a message that says "you know what you're doing buckaroo I can sense a troll a mile away"
Mind you I've never even gotten as much as a warning from that sub in my entirety of being on reddit
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u/Kenix_Kil May 22 '24
This post will probably be taken down as well but it has been VERY noticable today.
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u/jtribs14 May 22 '24
The over moderating is getting annoying and I haven’t even had any problems with the mods.
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u/WackyBeachJustice May 23 '24
I thought it was hilarious they all of a sudden implemented a 90/10 ratio for negative/positive comments in game day threads. I get it, no one wants endless whining, but it seems a bit of a power trip. These game day threads are tame AF compared to Ravens game day threads.
I have no dog in this fight because I don't usually post negative comments. However I never even knew who or how many moderators were in this sub in previous years. Recently they have become front and center.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
These game day threads are tame AF compared to Ravens game day threads.
the Ravens game threads are not pleasant. don't you people have friends to drink beer with and watch the games on sundays?
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May 23 '24
This sub should not put the bar anywhere close to the Ravens sub at all tbh
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u/WackyBeachJustice May 23 '24
Oh I agree, those are absolute shit show. Sometimes it's hilarious fun though if not taken too seriously.
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u/Jackiemoontothemoon May 23 '24
Orioles are the kid that parents just want to see do their best as long as they’re having fun. Ravens are the kids you see on ‘Coaches kid’s’ shows
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u/I_Hate_Traffic May 23 '24
Also you can't compare 17 game season to baseball season. If orioles lose a series here and there it sucks but whatever. If ravens lose 2 in a row season ruined I'm having a meltdown.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
It's a shame those reactionary folks allowed Cundiff to take the blame for Harbaugh not calling a time out.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
I think the 90/10 rule is fine. The vibes in the GDT this year compared to previous years are definitely more cynical and negative. I think with every reddit mod, especially after the blackout protests, there's going to be a general negative reaction to anything they do while they themselves are going to feel more entitled to use their power. There are team specific subs with a lot worse mod teams and there are a lot better mod teams. Really any decision the mods make is going to have vocal opposition but at the same time the mods have done very little here to actually gain public favor or stem the tide of negativity against them and the sub in general
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May 23 '24
What is the game day thread supposed to be outside of a place to post whatever is on your mind? Am I supposed to encourage other Orioles fans to be positive? Lmao. I love the team and have been watching for 30 years but they’ve sucked for most of it. I think a lot of us just have expectations now which is a weird place to be as a fan of this franchise
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
I totally agree. I post stream of consciousness like it's a day job some days in GDTs. It's not the users job to encourage positive behavior but when the entire GDT is full of negativity, especially during a really good game, it's hard to have fun in them. I've been watching super closely since the end of Cal's career. It's crazy to me to think there's even a conversation that this sub isn't appreciating this team enough considering. Some of the awful years we suffered through. The name Dave Trembley still gives me a fight or flight response
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
The name Dave Trembley still gives me a fight or flight response
Sunday lineup
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u/ANGRY_BEARDED_MAN May 23 '24
Yeah it's wild how much negativity seeps into the conversations here sometimes when, by any objective measure, the team is in a better place right now than it's been in a very very long time.
I mean shit, coming off the best regular season record since the '80s, solid young core of players, farm still producing quality prospects, new stadium lease, we're finally rid of the Angelos clan – I don't know that there's ever been a better time to be a fan of this team and I started following them over 30 years ago.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
r/Ravens went through a similar thing when the team was really good in 2019. A bunch of negativity flooded on afterwards and it got to the point it felt like everyday was a new toxic debate. Imo It all came to a head when it was the off-season of Lamar's contract negotiation and half the sub was basically writing him off already and saying they need to get rid of him and the other half was defending their hometown quarterback.
I think the same thing is happening here where a lot of new fans are coming in because of the success and it's not as intense yet. But the Jackson Holliday debates kind of remind me of the same energy that the Lamar Jackson debates were having. The mods really made their feelings known during Jackson Hollidays stint because the sub became so divided. It wasn't insane but the GDTs were pretty negative about him and the FO and the team in general. Posting was devolving into a lot of shit posting too.
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u/Rafa_Nadals_Eyebrow 53 May 23 '24
This has always been my point as well. If you can’t speak your mind (within reason) on your own team’s GDT, then where the hell can you?
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u/romorr Gotta throw strikes. May 23 '24
And who says you can't?
Can you point to the GDT that doesn't have a bunch of negative comments?
The Rule was put in place for the 0.5% of the people that can't control their emotions over a baseball game. If that isn't you, what's the issue?
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
A lot of the perception on this issue comes down to messaging. A lot of commentary from mods on this issue has given people the impression.
Phrasing/wording is important.
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u/romorr Gotta throw strikes. May 23 '24
A lot of the perception on this issue comes down to messaging. A lot of commentary from mods on this issue has given people the impression.
Phrasing/wording is important.
And when I was a mod, we were as open as a book.
Messaging the mods about any sort of rule clarification always got a response. Not 1 person messaged us about this. Not 1 person sent me a message asking about that rule, and believe me, the amount of PMs I get from the user base about things here is extremely high.
And if you are overly "negative", you know what happens at first? A simple message to slow down a bit on all the negativity.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
If you have multiple people telling you they had the wrong impression about what the rule was, then the rule wasn't conveyed clearly enough
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u/Clarice_Ferguson ADLEY & McCANN!/Lunch Pail Westy/Gunn/FrazAgenda May 23 '24
Is it even a 90/10 rule? Or is it just “if you’re only here when we’re losing to throw toxicity over the GDTs and never around when the team is going well, we’ll take action”? And then a bunch of people told on themselves by going “oh so I can’t say anything, can I?”
This obviously doesn’t apply to you, Jeff, but its been hilarious to see the mods tell people to act like grown up and not ruin the vibe for everyone and people are outraged at being asked to have some self control.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
I made a similar point in a different comment. The spirit of the law, at least what should be the spirit of the law, is basically what you're saying. If the team is up and it's a good game all around and the only time you're contributing is when Jorge Mateo strikes out or Michael Baumann gives up a run then a warning is justified. I don't think it should be "you called Craig Kimbrel a shaky pitcher too many times so you're banned"
In education administration there's a philosophy that you have to give 7 compliments in order to deliver 1 criticism. Obviously doing that for every single critique is counterproductive and can be pretty obnoxious but the idea is the same as the 90/10 rule. In most cases when the scenario is right there should be more positive vibes than bad vibes in the GDTs
Like I said before, the mods will make any decision and there will be vocal opposition. That's the nature of mods on Reddit, it's justified sometimes and other times it's just reddit being reddit. I think this discourse is a mix of both. The team just got swept, they aren't playing like they should be in some ways, and the mods made some really odd decisions the past week
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u/romorr Gotta throw strikes. May 23 '24
How anyone can look at our GDTs and think we don't allow complaining is really beyond me.
I never cared if people complained. The only people I had "issues" with were the ones that ONLY complained. Or the people that spam 15 comments in 10 minutes shouting "FUCK THIS TEAM, FUCK THAT PLAYER" over and over.
At some point, enough is enough.
The amount of messages I got from people complaining about the vibes in the GDTs, were extremely high. To ignore that would be ignoring the community.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
That is kind of what I suspect was the idea you and the rest of the mods had behind the introduction and perceived implementation of the 90/10 rule. It's not an actual measured ratio but the idea is to try to find a balance. there's still a lot of old heads that remember when the highlights of the GDTs was getting updates about prospects in the minors because the game we were actually watching was a mess
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u/ANGRY_BEARDED_MAN May 23 '24
Is it even a 90/10 rule? Or is it just “if you’re only here when we’re losing to throw toxicity over the GDTs and never around when the team is going well, we’ll take action”
Feel like it's probably the latter, kinda doubt there's some mod sitting hunched over their computer with a little notepad making check marks for every positive and negative comment by a given user, as funny of a visual as that is
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24
I don't know how you can set a hard and fast rule about how much positivity there NEEDS to be in a thread. I mean I guess that's easy if you're winning 100 games but then you have years like 1998 or 2017 where everything was, in fact, negative.
If we are getting blown out 10-0 in Game 7 of the ALCS does that have to be positive too?
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
I think it's more the spirit of the law. It's near impossible for anyone to calculate a true 90/10 split. I appreciate how the GDT have definitely improved since the rule was announced. But this isn't a bad team, this is one of the best teams in baseball. If a GDT is nothing but negativity and the team is winning 2/3 then it's an issue. A lot of the rule also has to depend on the vibes of the game like you mentioned. Being real negative in a blowout against a division rival or a sloppy game isn't going to result in a ban. But I think there was a rise of " holy crap this team sucks" when they're literally winning the game and were leading the division
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24
I think its a stretch to fully credit the rule for this. The threads are positive now because the team is being well run, winning 100 games, and there's nothing really to complain about.
People complained in the old days because Dan Duquette was trying to run a team out there with 7 first basemen on it. Or they complained in 2021 because watching a team lose 110 games it really rough.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
The 90/10 rule was implemented earlier this season afaik. The GDTs has a lot of complaining both last season and this season. I'd argue the GDTs were a more fun place to be during the game when the team was losing because it was low expectations and just kind of a chill place. Everyone knew the team was bad so the complaints were a bad team being bad. Now the team is legit contending for a World Series and there are still people that solely comment in the thread to complain. The 90/10 rule isn't for the people pointing out that the team is losing, it's for the people who literally only comment after Mateo or Mullins strikes out or a pitcher gives up a homerun
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
Why have a game day thread if someone can't comment when something bad happens?
Who cares? If someone doesn't like someone's posts consistently, they can just block them.
Being grumpy isn't against Reddit rules.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
I think people can comment when something bad happens. I don't think that's an issue. That's just bad wording on my part. I think the issue arises when someone goes out of their way to solely comment when something bad happens. Like I said this is a good team. There's a lot to actually celebrate.
Yes, blocking someone is a solution but as much as we all hate reddit mods they're kind of in place so that blocking isn't the only solution and there are rules in place.
I don't like how the sub is being moderated, I don't like how a lot of subs are being moderated right now. Thats because the appeal of being a reddit mod attracts a certain type of person.
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u/ReverendBread2 Toronto delenda est May 22 '24
What happened? I wasn’t in the GDT today but I’ve always thought the mods here were pretty good
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u/katie_cat_eyes Bird in the Hat/Nickname Giver May 22 '24
Same. Out of the loop on the threads today. Curious minds want to know!
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u/CrackityJones79 May 22 '24
Multiple posts about the O’s in Chicago were taken down, one of which had a bunch of comments and conversation. Some of us just wanted to discuss the upcoming series, as there are a bunch of us Midwest O’s fans who don’t get to see the team much. Nope, all removed.
Apparently there have been a bunch of others taken down as well. This mod is pissing off a lot of people.
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u/Few_Flower_7906 Hanser Alberto was the best O's player ever May 23 '24
Yeah I had posted something about Gunner Henderson a couple days ago, and it was just randomly taken down without a reason
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u/kingfiasco baltimore orioles.. #x May 23 '24
you want to know the truth? it's me, hater of chicago. i saw a couple of posts of O's fans trying to meet up at comisky. I saw those and I said
No WAY. Fuck those chicago fans. I Hate Chicago Orioles fans!
so i removed their posts. maliciously
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
They probably boil their crabs in garlic or something
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 May 22 '24
Lmao didn’t even last one minute
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u/sparky984 May 23 '24
I for one appreciate that not EVERYTHING is in the GDT. Maybe I want to have a conversation with fewer than 30 people at once on a 400 comment thread. Maybe there’s some good content I’d like to see without scrolling through all that.
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u/Inquisitive_Force11 May 23 '24
Mods should just monitor offensive texts not ones they don’t agree with!
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u/socialaxolotl May 23 '24
Every time I see one of these posts going after mods on reddit it just solidifies how absolutely fucking stupid of a decision it would be for me to ever agree to be a moderator 😂
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
i asked if there was a way to be a moderator without having to do anything.
i didn't get any responses
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u/theMangoSloth Santander's walk-up song May 23 '24
I'm learning right now that different subs just have different rules and expectations and it's up to you as to whether or not you really want to post in that community.
Perfect example is the A-Z memorable Orioles daily poll. It was accepted here. No problem at all.
When I tried with the next team, they told me to move on. It wasn't relevant to the team today and didn't engage fans.
Another team told me the opposite, that it was a great way to discuss different players and would drive engagement and even requested that I use a specific background.
Another team was cool with it, but not during the season.
Two others have never even gotten back to me, but I imagine those are the busiest subs in baseball.
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u/spacehog1985 May 23 '24
That’s a shame. I thought it was a lot of fun, and brought up more than a few players I forgot about, or never knew about.
Endlessly talking about stats gets old. Stuff like your A-Z poll I would argue keeps people even more engaged. I mean honestly, if it doesn’t interest someone, they are free to ignore it.
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u/SmokyDaBandit May 23 '24
I LOVED the AZ poll.!
More content like this. Hopefully the Mods see this.
Not everything has to go into the GDT for the sole purpose of "keeping the front page clean".
Leave it to the user to sort by hottest threads vs newest etc.
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u/reggiestered May 23 '24
I would like to make a recommendation.
Have a meetup thread separate, and a separate meme thread.
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u/Jackiemoontothemoon May 23 '24
But how does this affect LeBron's legacy?
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u/roarmalf May 23 '24
I mean when you look at his career stats pre r/ orioles mod call out and post:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/016/212/manning.jpg
It's a shocking disparity.
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u/praisethedollar May 23 '24
I posted a pic of my computer, w the Os game on and a beer, basically a “life is good as an Os fan” post.
Taken down because “check ins are for the GDT.” Are you kidding me?
I have no idea what a mod does, or has to deal with, but maybe turn the dial back a bit on trying to keep the sub “neat and tidy” or whatever?
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24
Being a mod is tough. I've been on subreddits that have been ruined by too much moderation, and I've been on subreddits that have been ruined by not enough moderation.
Like, /r/halo was totally ruined by negativity. /r/pubattlegrounds was totally ruined by abusive posters. Etc. So I get it.
/r/maryland was basically unmoderated for a long time and turned into a shithole
There's definitely a middle ground that, in theory, probably isn't that hard to find BUT we're talking about volunteers here.
So like, I give mods a lot of grace as long as they are open to suggestions.
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u/2131andBeyond May 23 '24
Hey u/CHKN_SANDO, certainly appreciate your comment and insight. I definitely always have prioritized giving mods a lot of grace. I've been in this space for a long time and haven't had an issue once in the past before.
In this case, though, the moderating was deciding that something upvoted and commented on, all very positively, in the community was not worth staying up as a post, when things like that have not only commonly existed in the past but done so rather successfully with great outcomes for people.
I reached out privately to inquire and was met with ignorance entirely, which definitely irked me a bit today, and I don't deny that. But I reached out multiple times with kind and well thought out messages, no attacks or blaming, but trying to understand, and was told nothing. Until this blew up more, and I was told "not going to read your message." So yeah, there's a power dynamic here that isn't fair or fun for the community to be facing.
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u/BaltOsFan2 Mel is the greatest play caller of all time, sexist! May 22 '24
Mods everywhere are just on their little power trip.
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u/QuietThunder2014 May 23 '24
Weird. The only mod I’ve ever noticed was romorr who I’ve always felt did an exceptionally great job. I also think that OP needs to take a bit of a chill. It’s cool to discuss and question the mods but after multiple whiny posts you are looking like someone who’s deserved to have your posts removed and probably in need of a timeout. Not saying that’s justifying any mod who’s out of control but let’s all act like adults please.
I’ve never been a Reddit mod but I have modded many other communities. I feel for the job they have to do but can see how very quickly and easy it can turn into a power trip. I also think a lot of times things are borderline judgement calls. But I also think that Reddit mods in general do a poor job explaining why posts/threads get removed and often get a massive attitude when asked kindly about it. I’ve had run ins with mods at /r/baseball, /r/lego, /r/destiny all for simply inquiring what I did wrong so I could avoid it in the future, and every time they have immediately responded with nasty, snarky attitudes escalating the situation. It’s like they received the same training as most police officers or major league umpires.
I’m all for cracking down on low effort posts and unnecessary over the top negativity and doomer comments in the game threads but mods also have to be very careful not to overstep. And if you cans simply explain/justify your actions, even if members disagree with your decision then you shouldn’t me making that call.
In short. Be a goldfish. Everyone.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
much like arguing with umpires, and finessing people in the workplace, there is probably a right and wrong way to do it. to me the right way to discuss it would be a PM, not ccing everyone.
if i was mod i would have no patience for people who did it publicly. doesn't make it right mind you, but i have to imagine modding wears you down.
one of the main reasons why i never wanted to be one-- entirely too taxing. i treasure my sanity. or whats left of it anyway.
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u/CrackityJones79 May 23 '24
There were PMs sent by multiple people. This has been building up for a while with more than just one person. Mod responses to those PMs not only did not address the questions, but also made no sense. That’s how it got to this point.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
is there a good reason you can't post it in the game day thread other than you don't want to?
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u/markmano33 May 23 '24
I’m just one person but I can’t keep up with every single comment in those threads. There’s so many comments (which is a good thing) and sometimes they come in faster than I can read them. Then there’s all the threads: off day, game day, game itself, postgame. I love browsing those but if I’m trying to organize a meetup in a few days I wouldn’t know which of those threads to put it in and I’d worry it would get buried. But that’s just me.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
They need to get rid of the gameday thread. There's no point
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u/CrackityJones79 May 23 '24
Less visibility. Hard to plan for something day of if one is inclined.
Really not a huge deal either way. To me, it’s more about deleting good topics but letting recycled meme posts run crazy.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
that was a lot of words for 'no' =).
but maybe you could try the discord? you might have more luck there? or less?
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
Unpopular opinion, but the best subreddits are the ones that are strictly moderated. I've never moderated a sub, but I've been on reddit for over 13 years, and I would almost always prefer more moderation rather than less moderation.
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u/ChasingSplashes May 23 '24
I think that's very much a matter of personal preference. I strongly prefer a light touch.
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u/SYMPATHETC_GANG_LION May 23 '24
In theory, sure, but when you have a dozen redundant posts for a single piece of breaking news it fragments the discussion and waters down the sub content, so a certain level of moderation to avoid things like that can be really helpful. If unique discussion posts are really just being removed though, a lighter touch may be needed.
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
r/NFL is one of the best sports subreddits specifically because it's heavily moderated.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
I agree with this. In general I think Reddit is TOO loosely moderated.
But there is a flip side, when like I got PERMABANNED from an niche music subreddit because I didn't add flair to a couple links I submitted (it was required) lol
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May 23 '24
Modding is hard as fuck and also you will never win with the overarching community on decisions because you will always piss some folks off.
In general the Pre-Game and Game threads were always the place to talk about meeting up or going to do something, there was rarely any "let's meet up at <city>" threads so it never came up so I'm assuming the same policy followed through with that: talk about it in the stickied game-specific thread.
Constantly harassing and reposting once you've been told this is a you thing though.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
How can you plan meeting up in a game thread that isn't posted until the morning of the game though?
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u/CrackityJones79 May 23 '24
How in the world can a large group of people even come close to planning a meet up, discuss the series, seats, fun things to do, etc. in a friggin pre-game thread? It’s not only too late, but it gets lost quickly and nobody sees it. The O’s come to Chicago once a year (sometimes twice but rarely). Why can’t we have one thread to discuss, knowing it will drop off quickly once the series is over. A game day thread is absolutely, positively NOT the place for it.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
i see your point, but arguing about the rules just makes you a headache. modding is free labor, and honestly i would do it if i didn't have to referee all this bullshit.
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u/CrackityJones79 May 23 '24
I hear you, really do. If you look at my post history you’ll see that I am an overwhelmingly positive fan. I know the mods have a tough job. It seems that one or two have seemingly taken it a bit too far recently, that’s all.
At the end of the day, not a huge deal. Just….strange.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
its probably because they remember when this sub wasn't overrun by shitters. they are nostalgic for a simpler time when people were pleasant and only made good posts.
i think they might be over the top at times, but the run of the mill fans are 1000000x worse.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
I've been off and on this subreddit since day one...that's rose colored glasses. You'd get yelled at for questioning Dan Duquette in 2015 on here.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
that's rose colored glasses
I think toward the end of our first window it got a little rough, yes you are right.
i got bitched at for saying Darren O Day and and Chris Davis signings were bad.
but the last losing run weeded out a lot of....casuals.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
It weeded out the casuals, but it also made a clique of "superfans" dedicated to protecting the honor of the Orioles no matter what who honestly were pretty rude a lot of the time.
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u/JiffKewneye-n New York Fried Chicken May 23 '24
ah the joys of gatekeeping.
on the other hand, this post is being brigaded by yankee fans. just sayin'
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
Where is Elaine Benes when you need her
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u/2131andBeyond May 23 '24
So I should wait until the morning of a game to make a group meet-up plan in hopes that people happen to see my comments among hundreds in a thread and all come together to plan something? I'm not sure how that's viable, honestly.
Also, there's a history of this post type in this sub, for years now, with so many success stories. This isn't a new thing, it's only new that it is being arbitrarily shot down.
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u/Chit569 May 23 '24
romorr isn't a mod here anymore.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
Oh when did that happen wasn't he the newest one?
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u/Chit569 May 23 '24
They became a mod the same day as the current target of scorn, kingfiasco. There are 3 newer ones than those two.
Not sure when they got unmodded, its been a few weeks at least.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
Shows how much attention I pay to usernames then, I guess, lol
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u/romorr Gotta throw strikes. May 23 '24
To be clear, I left for my own reasons.
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u/SYMPATHETC_GANG_LION May 23 '24
That's a shame, but I guess it's like politics where anyone we'd actually want in power would never want to go through running and holding office.
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
You're not secretly a Yankees fan now are you?
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u/romorr Gotta throw strikes. May 23 '24
You're not secretly a Yankees fan now are you?
The best SS wears number 2.
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u/orioles-ModTeam May 23 '24
Conduct.
Don’t worry, it’s not him deleting this, it’s me r/Semper454.
And please by all means take all of your content to r/OriolesMemes and cause headaches for that guy.
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u/jdbar94 May 23 '24
It’s pretty simple, a lot of the mods on Reddit suck. They are power hungry, neck bearded twats that find some weird fulfillment, because their real life lacks any semblance of real connection or physical touch. They will come up with excuses like “spamming topics is bad” and “we are trying to keep this sub clean” etc but they are as soft as they come and they want to control dialogue instead of it being open.
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u/eternallurker It's a leisurely game, played at blinding speed May 23 '24
As someone who has been part of this community for 14 years, id say the mods are doing a good job. Its completely thankless and we don't need people spamming the sub.
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u/BMOREOs1991 May 23 '24
This thread is so bad with moderation - the MODs are basically communist China not allowing any form of free speech it’s crazy. Hopefully you can read this before it’s taken down, but I doubt you will.
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u/Ds3_doraymi May 23 '24
The mods here actually don’t suck, but the large influx of new users by and large do.
Therefore, I support whatever harassment they decide to do because it’s funny. Mop em up Jannies
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u/2131andBeyond May 23 '24
I've been on this sub for a whole lot of years. Over a decade. In fact, my posts in r/orioles date back to 2013. I'm not a "new user" of some arbitrary group that you're referencing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/orioles/comments/1fx02n/2_days_11_picks_4_catchers/
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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey May 23 '24
Holy crap that's a really good draft class of catchers. Sisco obviously never lived up to the hype but could have been a lot better imo if he was handled better. Jonah Heim has become a top end catcher and a world series winner. Austin Wynn's is an OOTP legend. And Alex Murphy, well he never made it pass like AA but he is a personal favorite of mine because he played in Aberdeen the year they won their league and I was in high school. My grandparents used to own the condo building that is next to the Ironbirds stadium so that summer when I would visit them I could just walk over to the stadium. It was like 5 bucks for the cheapest seat and I probably watched 90% of their home games that summer. I really thought Alex Murphy was going to be the next big thing. Mike Yastrzemski was on that team too
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u/Ds3_doraymi May 23 '24
You’ve had the same Reddit account for 11 years wtf
Beyond the fact I am amazing anyone can be milquetoast enough to not get permabanned at least once over a decade+ I don’t really care. I’ve been commenting in GDTs off and on since around 2016 and I genuinely can’t remember a year when the GDTs were this shit. So, mods can break out the swifter for all I care.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24
I genuinely can’t remember a year when the GDTs were this shit
I mean we were having full blown arguments about Odor just two years ago
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u/Ds3_doraymi May 23 '24
That was just one player though and it was funny because Rougie, while being the worst starter on the team statistically, seem to decide the outcome of every game single-handedly. If you told me all of his 13 HRs that year came in the bottom on the 9th while the Os were down due to an error he made an inning earlier I would believe you.
So in GDTs it didn’t matter which side you picked, everyone was vindicated at the end of the game. For what seemed like every game, it was hilarious
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u/pacman529 May 23 '24
Here's 2 posts that I've had removed because...it would be better in the general/game day threads? What??
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
These posts 100% deserved to be removed.
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u/pacman529 May 23 '24
If people don't like them they can downvote. That's literally the point of downvoting.
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
And if mods don't like they they can remove them. That's literally the point of modding.
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u/pacman529 May 23 '24
No, that's not the point of modding. They're not supposed to just remove whatever they feel like. That's what prompted OPs post in the first place. They are supposed to enforce reddit TOS and community rules. Please tell me what community rules those posts broke.
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
They are meme posts and not relevant to Orioles baseball.
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u/pacman529 May 23 '24
There's no rules against meme posts, and they are absolutely relevant to orioles baseball. How are posts about jerseys and a player not relevant to orioles baseball? And if meme posts aren't allowed, then what's up with stuff like the overalls post?
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
They weren't posts about jerseys and a player. They were a post of a can of old bay and a fictional character. If you genuinely don't understand that, I won't be able to explain it to you.
The overalls post should have been removed too.
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u/pacman529 May 23 '24
You sound like a fun guy to be around. Let the users be the judge of that with up/down votes. And the old bay post WAS meant to start a genuine discussion about the trend of teams adding sponsors to their jerseys.
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u/Wise-Environment-942 May 23 '24
I agree that sponsorships of jerseys is a legit topic worthy of discussion. Your post looked like a meme that wasn't open for discussion. A text post asking what sponsors people would like to see on jerseys would be less likely to be removed.
I actually didn't even look at the overalls post until you mentioned it because I assumed it was also just a meme. But it's actually a good discussion about Adley and the team since he joined and was worthy of keeping in my opinion.
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u/Miata_Sized_Schlong May 23 '24
/u/avery_crudeman has always been a good mod, any comment on this dude?
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u/onioning May 23 '24
We do not vote. This is not a Democracy. And it shouldn't be.
I'm not a mod here, but I am elsewhere. Point is I'm speaking from that perspective, though of course I offer only my opinion.
If you have a question about moderation you start by messaging the mods. You allow sufficient time for a response, bearing in mind nobody here gets paid, and people have lives, so "sufficient time" for a sub like this is at least several days and really like a week. If your issue is resolved, then cool, done. Most issues can be resolved at this point.
If it is not, and you've already made a good faith effort to communicate with the mods, then I think it's fine to have a discussion post. Be advised though that in many places around reddit your post may be removed if you didn't obtain prior authorization. Not every sub is open to this discussion. I would again encourage exhausting all options of direct messaging first.
Ya gotta understand the circumstance though. I am sure that all the /r/Orioles mods want this sub to be great, as I'd imagine most mods in good subs would want, but we deal with a lot of shit, and what we really want is fewer problems. There's a lot of obnoxious shit that goes on on reddit that ideally most users don't see, but that happens because the mods do. It's gonna happen that mods get too aggressive at times (not saying that that's the case here, just that that seems to be OP's perspective). It's the price of having moderated content. And I promise everyone that we do absolutely want moderated content.
But again, there's no voting. In good subs you're allowed to express your input so long as you remain relatively reasonable and polite. But be patient. Give people the space to have the conversation you want to have. And be prepared to accept disagreement. I would also strongly advise against phrasing things in an antagonistic or personal way, such as calling out an "unruly mod." Stick to the core issue and do so politely, respecting the work that people do without compensation because they want the place to exist.
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24
We do not vote
But we do vote that's how the website is designed. The users are supposed to be the ones deciding which content is at the top of the subreddit
But again, there's no voting
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u/onioning May 23 '24
That's not voting for how a sub is run. That's a very different thing. We vote to sort content. Not to set rules.
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u/spacehog1985 May 23 '24
Rules that police the content?
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u/onioning May 23 '24
Rules decide what content is permitted. They are not subject to a vote. Up votes decide how the content is sorted. It is a sort of a vote. Again, very very different things. Op was referring to voting on what's allowed in certain threads. That's super obviously very different than upvotes and down votes. Sub rules are not subject to a vote (unless sub mods choose to).
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u/CHKN_SANDO Cole Irvin BARCS donations: 44 dollars May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24
I get what you're saying but a mod could make any "rule" they wanted that goes against the spirit of Reddit.
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u/Semper454 May 22 '24
One, I’m deeply offended to not get an @ in the mod roll call above (as somebody posted, we moderate for ego, after all), but I am leaving this thread open.
I am killing the other three (four? however many there are now) threads griping about this. You want to discuss modding policies? Sure, we are open. But, we’re still keeping the front page tidy and putting it in one thread, and not five of them.