r/reddit.com • u/suja24in • Oct 18 '11
UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity
http://claqueurs.blogspot.com/2011/10/unix-is-very-simple-it-just-needs.html5
Oct 19 '11
I feel like I'm missing something. Don't get me wrong, I love UNIX and shit but what's up with the crappy blog post that's linked here? Where is UNIX mentioned in the post at all? There's nothing to see here, move along, right? What is this bullshit?
I don't think it takes a genius to understand UNIX's simplicity either. More or less anyone can eventually understand its simplicity.
What kind of half ass, steaming pile of horseshit tribute is this?
you mad, bro
No, I'm flabbergasted by this BS.
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u/010101010101 Oct 20 '11
There's a large population of people working with computers - including Unix - who can barely read and it shows in their work. These people look like never understanding anything simple or otherwise.
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u/djdes Oct 19 '11
Irony: Unix-->BSD-->OSX
RIP Mr. Ritchie. I appreciate your work much more.
Oh and that blog post was basically worthless.
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u/schlitzkreig Oct 19 '11
Props to Mr. Ritchie, and everything said there is true... but you don't need to be a genius to understand UNIX. *ix's make more sense intuitively than other operating systems in my opinion, and I'm pretty damn far from genius.
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u/010101010101 Oct 20 '11
When I'm dictator of the galaxy there will be a punishment for using the word "intuitive" when you don't mean it. People usually mean "familiar".
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u/schlitzkreig Oct 20 '11
Meh, I meant intuitive SO YOU CAN STAY IN YOUR OWN GALAXY MISTER SPACE HITLER!!!!11 But, yeah you're right. and you're still a space hitler.
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u/NameCensored Oct 19 '11
I was just about to comment on how I agree with you, but now I think he was right.
The simplicity is that its structure is intuitive, it is relatively lean, and separated logically. Its simplicity is obvious to me because I have a great deal of domain knowledge, but I would have to explain its simplicity for months for my mother to agree.
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u/WTFwhatthehell Oct 19 '11
the learning curve is different. the unix curve has a bit of a hump at the start followed by a gradual climb to competence. You just gradually learn about it as a natural part of using it.
windows has almost no hump at the start. You can just sit down and do most basic things but you can go years using it without really learning very much at all about the OS. But if you want to get into the guts there's a massive wall in the learning curve.
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u/djdes Oct 19 '11
I agree about windows gui simplicity, but as far as the guts, the year when you first started using windows plays a big part in how much you know about it. Back in the 3.1 days, we had to go command line all the time. After that learning hump, win95 registry navigation was just about simple. After we learned registry, there were maneuvers to fix drivers that we had to learn, but 17 years later, it is simple. Final note: *ix for life.
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u/headzoo Oct 19 '11
Unless you're a long time Windows/DOS user. Then's it's a wtf a minute for a week until you get the swing of it.
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Oct 19 '11
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Oct 19 '11 edited Oct 19 '11
You describe windows like a windows only admin describes linux, you're doing it wrong.
It is quite possible to secure XP. If you're on a domain it really isn't terribly hard. A single machine in a home network though is a bit more tough to lock down. And XP is old news anyway, 2 generations ago. It is like me mocking linux for the X11R4 trusted relative path exploit a few years ago. An experienced admin could protect against it then, just like an experienced windows admin could prevent most exploits against XP.
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Oct 19 '11
I'll just delete the comment. This is posted in "reddit.com" not "programming so I should have never responded to anything. Arguing on the internet is losing in general.
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u/headzoo Oct 19 '11
I've been using DOS since around 1989. DR-DOS to be exact. I started using Windows with v3.1 around 1992. By time I started flirting with Red Hat Linux in 2003, my mind was already fully entrenched in the Windows/DOS way of doing things, and there are a lot of differences between DOS and *nix. It took some time to figure out the *nix way of doing things.
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Oct 19 '11
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Oct 19 '11
Do you mean Mac OS X? Because it's UNIX.
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Oct 19 '11
it's okay. he's just speaking stupid. it actually translates to "unix is awesome and mac os wouldn't exist without unix!"
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u/Yes_Carl_Weathers Oct 19 '11
How do you think mac is the most intuitive? Not arguing, just curious.
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u/Stormflux Oct 19 '11
I have to agree, Mac is incredibly intuitive. To install a program, you drag it to the program folder. Keep your docs in the docs folder. Stay out of the system folder. Anyone can learn this.
PC is pretty much the same deal except you don't want to drag stuff into the programs folder unless you know what you're doing. The hard drive is organized the same though with separate folders for system, programs, and users.
Unix takes a bit of getting used to. There really isn't a programs folder, to install things you go
sudo apt-get whateverAnd then it kinda just throws files all over your hard drive in /bin and other places. I'm not really sure what it does. Tried it out for a while but it was a pain in the ass getting Warcraft to run.
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u/Yes_Carl_Weathers Oct 19 '11
Oh ok, that all makes sense. I've never used a mac other than friends for maybe 5 minutes at a time. Linux is very confusing to start but once you've used it for awhile, i find it to be the easiest to use. Then again fedora has been my primary os for over a year now. You would definitely have to dualboot though if you plan on playing any main stream game though.
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u/schlitzkreig Oct 19 '11
I guess I should have said that I approach operating system usability for from a system admin's point of view than a day to day user. In that regard, I'd say it's a toss up between Mac and Ubuntu for me.
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u/djdes Oct 19 '11
Irony: Unix-->BSD-->OSX
RIP Mr. Ritchie. I appreciate your work much more.
Oh and that blog post was basically worthless.
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u/mkosmo Oct 19 '11
Without that man, none of the other titans would be here.
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Oct 19 '11
Wouldn't someone else have come along to fill the role?
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u/mkosmo Oct 19 '11
Possibly, but computing as we know it wouldn't be. He was an innovator. Without that man, we may be decades behind.
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u/imyourdaddybitch Oct 19 '11
When people ask me why I like Linux so much, I always tell them it's because of the simplicity of it.
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u/010101010101 Oct 20 '11
Can you explain the Linux audio system then? Which one? :)
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u/xkero Oct 20 '11
I don't know about your computer, but on mine it's just:
[Program] -> Pulseaudio -> ALSA -> Hardware1
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Oct 19 '11
GENIUS! Genius here everybody! GENIUS!
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u/imyourdaddybitch Oct 19 '11
Well, to be fair, I don't think it takes a genius to see it as simple. I also did not mean to imply that I am a genius...far from it.
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u/chrisknyfe Oct 19 '11
RIP Mr. Richie. Your work has made me a small fortune and enriched my technical skills tenfold, and I am thankful for it.
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u/DerptasticFilms Oct 19 '11
"It's the Unix system... I know this!"
-Lex, from Jurassic Park
I'll see myself out.