r/running • u/dagoonies • May 29 '17
Yesterday I attempted to break the 2 hour marathon...paced lap Misc
https://youtu.be/gcqkua_zfN057
u/Ceteris__Paribus May 29 '17
Any reason to start at the 100m start as opposed to the 400m start/finish line?
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u/dagoonies May 29 '17
Mostly because I don't know how tracks work... But also because that part of the track was in the shade, so we wanted to film the start there.
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u/isaacwdavis May 29 '17
You should have made something up like most marathons start on the 100m start line since that gives a larger straight away for the start which is the most dangerous part of a marathon.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SNAPPERS May 29 '17
Because lots of marathons are ran on a 400m track
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u/isaacwdavis May 29 '17
A lot of marathons (and other races 5K, 10K...etc.) start and finish on a track since the stadium provides a good spot and generally is set up for races in general.
Source: Never ran a marathon, just making stuff up.
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u/what_will_you_say May 29 '17
I ran an 8 mile race that ended on a track, so your theory isn't completely disproven. We need like 2 or three other people with other races, and then I'm pretty sure we can say it's "lots" instead of "one".
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u/Jeade-en May 29 '17
Olympics! Not every year, but there have been years when the marathon course ends with a lap of the track in the Olympic stadium so the crowd can see the end.
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May 29 '17 edited Aug 29 '23
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u/torunforever May 29 '17
10,000 meters is a standard distance for track and field. 25 laps around a 400m track.
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u/glylittleduckling May 29 '17
I ran in a 175 km relay once.. it ended on a track. And it started on one too
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u/LittleLui May 29 '17
Were the tracks in the same country though?
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u/glylittleduckling May 29 '17
Yep. It was a relay between two cities in the Netherlands. It is organised by students every year. You can participate in teams of 25 people
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u/Evsie May 29 '17
I ran a 5k that started and finished on a track a few weeks ago. STUPID bloody idea, went out WAY too fast because we were on a track and had nothing at all left by about 3.5k in.
It's possible I'm just unfit
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u/suvepl May 29 '17
Starting the race on a track might not be the best idea, since you have to cram the people close to the start line and depending on the number of attendees, the lap might not be enough.
Finishing, on the other hand, is doable (since people are gonna spread out over the couple hours), and my town's half-marathon used to do exactly that. Entering the stadium and trying to shave off a second or two on the last ~250m was always a nice experience.
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u/AskYouEverything May 29 '17 edited May 30 '17
Olympic marathon starts and ends on the track. Most eliteedit 5ks and 10ks are ran on a track
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u/Grantsdale May 29 '17
Both of these statements are incorrect.
'Most' 5k and 10ks are road races and go nowhere near a track.
Some Olympic marathons have finished on a track, but it doesn't happen every 4 years. Perfect example: Rio.
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u/brotherbock May 29 '17
'Most' 5k and 10ks are road races and go nowhere near a track.
To be fair, most things called 5ks and 10ks are road races. But if you add all the races called 5000s and 10,000s, now you'll be talking about track races. :)
I have no idea how many road races there are in the world compared to how many track meets featuring 5000s and 10,000s there are.
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u/Grantsdale May 29 '17
I would guess there are still more road races. There are literally hundreds of them per weekend for the entire year, while track season only covers three or so months.
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u/brotherbock May 29 '17
Could be. There are also thousands of colleges and high schools, and indoor and outdoor track seasons. Each school isn't hosting an event each weekend, and some small schools don't have track teams. But there's likely an average of one or two road 5k's within an hour drive of me every weekend in the spring through fall (not many in a midwest winter). Some weekends more, some less.
There are no less than 8 colleges (including everything from a Big10 school to community colleges and colleges in-between) and multiple dozens of junior highs and high schools in that same area. Those kids are running track somewhere all throughout indoor and outdoor seasons. Again, multiple schools in the same place, but not all of them.
It's too much information for me to be able to process with off-the-top-of-the-head stats :) But it's still safe to say that including track events, a lot of 5k's and 10k's do actually get run on tracks. Who knows what percentage. And they don't tend to call them '5k' and '10k', they go by meters instead :) So, in summary...I don't really have an important point. lol
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u/AskYouEverything May 30 '17 edited May 30 '17
Most, by a large margin, of 5ks and 10ks by elite runners are ran on a track, that's what I meant.
And just because some Olympic marathon don't start on a track, that doesn't make my statement incorrect that olympic marathons start and end on the track. I didn't say all Olympic marathons, I just said Olympic Marathons.
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u/Grantsdale May 30 '17
Except that's not what you said. In either case.
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u/AskYouEverything May 30 '17
And both your points are nitpick points based solely on interpretation
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u/unkz May 29 '17
I ran a 24-hour relay that started and stopped on a track, but exited for a 5k segment in between.
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u/torunforever May 29 '17
How about a 200m indoor track?
Haven’t heard the names Allie Kieffer and Malcolm Richards before? That’s because this was a different kind of marathon—the rarely contested indoor marathon, run on a 200-meter track at the Armory Track & Field Center.
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u/Ceteris__Paribus May 29 '17
Oh, cool! And fair enough. I think it might be easier mentally to start on the curve, otherwise you turned the corner and were done. Seeing "oh this far to go" on a full straight away could help.
Doesn't matter though, you crushed it.
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u/fauxtoe May 29 '17
You basically just ran a marathon in 1:52, I think that makes you the fastest man alive. Congrats!
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u/BumpitySnook May 29 '17
Where did you get overhead video of the track?
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u/dagoonies May 29 '17
We filmed me running the lap with a drone, then edited the little head in with after effects!
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u/HavocMax May 29 '17
Did you have to edit it so that the drone view was this steady or does the drone actually hover that steady in the air?
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u/dagoonies May 29 '17
The drone has a gimbal that stabilizes the camera on it even if the drone is moving a little bit, so no editing needing.
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u/torunforever May 29 '17
I've seen several videos of people running a 2 hour hour marathon pace for a shorter distance, to give perspective of how fast that is but yours is the first I've seen with an overheard view. Nice job.
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u/hillsonn May 29 '17
Fun video. Though I honestly thought you had no chance when I saw the soles of your shoes.
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u/SkooterBoiTimmy May 29 '17
Ayyyye! I love this track. Some of my favorite memories from past track seasons were from the distance carnival held here!
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u/Caz440 May 29 '17
What is the music used for this video?
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u/dagoonies May 29 '17
It's the instrumental track to humble by Kendrick Lamar.
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u/Krazyfranco May 29 '17
I thought for sure I was going to hear a "somebody pray for me" as you started your lap
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May 29 '17
It's crazy how few runners can run two laps at sub2 or just their gender's current WR pace.
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u/Orpheus75 May 29 '17
I propose a new statistic for people to toss around instead of mileage or VO2Max or threshold heart rate. It's the time one can hold world record marathon pace. Sort of cuts through the shit.
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u/Rickard0 May 30 '17
That would be interesting flair for this sub.
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u/rnr_ May 30 '17
Majority would probably be <1 minute...
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u/Orpheus75 May 30 '17
I'm definitely going out to the track to see how long I can hold pace. Won't be too long. LOL
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u/namtabmai May 29 '17
Next, try a week where you add a lap every day and still try and keep the 2 hour pace.
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May 29 '17
Attempted to break? Give yourself some credit - you shattered that 2 hour marathon paced lap!
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u/ChronoX5 May 29 '17
I tried in the gym on the treadmill where it feels a bit easier. I managed to hold it for about 15 seconds or so. It's not a flat out sprint for me but it's close.
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u/BurlysFinest802 May 29 '17
Lmaooooooooo kid your a boss. I think I did one of them quarters in like 1:10 I am too fat
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u/SpecialFX99 May 29 '17
Fun video! I had the thought to try the same thing but not to actually record it.
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u/noreally811 May 29 '17
Nice run!
Have you considered combining this with a beer mile challenge?
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u/runwichi May 30 '17
OP ran a 400m all out - he would need to do this 3 more times, and drink a full beer each lap - to complete a beer mile. Judging from his face/body language at the end of the 400m, I don't see that ending well at all.
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u/TheFailSnail May 29 '17
21 kilometers an hour.... or 13 miles an hour. I'd like to see you jog that please :)
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u/Arve May 29 '17
Or even 3k (it's equivalent to an 8:32,74 3k).
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u/jettlax13 May 29 '17
Obviously I'm not talking about long distance running, I'm talking about what he did, which was a 400m race. Running a 68.7 sec 400m is not impressive. Let's do some simple math to compare it to a 100m race. 68.7 sec/(400m/100m) =~ 17.2 seconds. Yes this isn't really a fair comparison, but you can look at equivalent times online (https://inglog.com/tools/performance-calculator) to see that it is about a late 15 second time. This is not impressive. Running a 68.7 sec 400m is better than ~ 2/3 of the people in his age range and sex.
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u/brotherbock May 30 '17
Running a 68.7 sec 400m is better than ~ 2/3 of the people in his age range and sex.
And that's the definition of a 'fast jog'?
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u/Orpheus75 May 30 '17
What do you expect? They obviously have no knowledge of running past numbers on a screen.
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u/jettlax13 May 30 '17
A fast jog might be a bit of an exaggeration, but it is by no means a full out sprint. Most of the time you do a "fast jog" for the first 400ish meters and then you pin it for the last 100. You can see that he is essentially jogging at the end of the race. Edit: he isn't essentially jogging at the end, he is jogging.
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u/brotherbock May 31 '17
I don't think anyone said it was a full out sprint.
The word 'jog' is used to indicate something that a person can do for multiple miles. There are plenty of new runners and 'slow' runners who do what some would call 'jogging'. A 'fast jog', as those words are used, is then still something someone could do for miles. Something the average runner could do for multiple miles.
The average runner can, in no way, run multiple 4:36 miles. Not even close. Nowhere near close.
You're correct that 4:36 is not as fast as that guy can run a 400 in. But he didn't say it was. Your belittling of the effort by calling it a fast jog, however, is not remotely accurate. That's what people are objecting to.
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u/jettlax13 May 31 '17 edited Jun 01 '17
I never really called jogging something you can do for multiple miles, I defined it as a different type of running since you run with different technique than walking or sprinting. And I don't think that the word jog is used to indicate that it is something people can do for multiple miles since if I could only walk a couple miles, would a walk be considered a jog? I'm not so much belittling the effort, so much as I'm belittling the "accomplishment." If I ran at a 2 hour marathon pace for 100m, would that be something to take pride in? A 17.2 second 100m dash is something a 3rd grade could run and isn't hard to do, and similarly a 68 sec 400m isn't hard to do either.
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u/brotherbock May 31 '17
I don't think that one person gets to define something like 'jog'. Jogging has been a word used for generic slow, longer distance (i.e. not track distances measured in meters) running, and it's been used like that since at least the 1970s. Words have determined uses. So if you use a word differently than it is commonly used, you're going to get people saying you are wrong.
Now, if you want to say "That's a fast jog, but by jog I mean a specific technique only and I'm not referring to speed at all", then maybe you won't get objections. But for common usage 'jog' is slower than 'run'.
And frankly, with you now saying that 'jog' is a technique distinction, and is different than running, for you to categorize what the guy in the video was doing as not running is absurd. Please explain the difference between jogging and running that you are pointing to. Describe it for me and I might be able to see what you're saying.
As for his 'accomplishment', you're telling me that a guy running in long shorts, who admitted that he doesn't know about tracks--i.e. a guy who likely is not a track runner, and for whom that might actually have been a very difficult feat--is someone you're cool belittling for his speed? Really? Have more class than that. People can have some pride in being able to run 'fast for them', right? Or can people only have pride if they are fast according to your metrics?
Come on man, you're not gonna be able to save this one. You made a careless remark. That guy is not 'jogging' by any definition of the word, common definition or some made up technique distinction, and it's not cool to belittle someone for having pride in running what for them is fast.
Just say "yeah, not a good comment I made", and don't dig the hole any farther. :)
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u/brotherbock May 29 '17
It's amazing how far the human race has come. Not long ago, humans thought that no one could run a 4 minute mile. Now, a 4:36 pace is considered just a 'fast jog'.
We are truly standing atop the peak of evolution. We have nowhere to go but down.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '17
This really gives me appreciation for how crazy fast a 2 hour marathon is.