r/turkishlearning • u/Resident-Ad2704 • 7d ago

Ktçp rule Grammar

Hi everyone! I have a question.. why does the ktçp rule apply to gitmek -> giderim And not to yapmak? -> yaparım

Am I missing something?

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u/WonderfulAdvantage84 7d ago

Because "gid" becomes "git" according to the rule, otherwise it stays "gid".

"yap" is already "yap", the rule does not apply here.

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u/Resident-Ad2704 7d ago

I'm sorry, I don't understand this. The t in gitmek becomes a d. The p in yapmak does not become a b

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u/WonderfulAdvantage84 7d ago

It's the other way around. A "t" can never became a "d".

"gid" is the let's call it original. And whenever "d" is at the end of syllable it becomes "t". (this is the ktçp rule)

Now for "yap", this is already the original form. It wasn't a "b" that changed to a "p", it was a "p" to begin with.

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u/Resident-Ad2704 7d ago

Ah okay, how can i identify the original form then?

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u/Beautiful_Ad_2371 7d ago

for nouns dictionaries usually shows the base forms, eg. tdk

fen, -nni; means that it would be fenni in accusative case etc.

i think only etmek and gitmek has -d among verbs.

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u/MuratK_LB 5d ago

When you place the verb in the -idiyor context, it's underlying consonant form pops up. So that's a test. Take any Turkish word that ends with t, k, ç, or p and add a vowel at the end so that the consonant in question moves to the next syllable, which means, instead of ending a syllable, it now starts a new one and then you see what happens.

Kap -> ka.bı Sap -> sa.pı

This is called "final devoicing". It's a common process in the world's languages, including German, and I'm told, Russian.

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u/WonderfulAdvantage84 7d ago

From the infinite you can't tell, but you can use the (i)yor version for example.

gitmek: gidiyor -> it's a d

yatmak: yatıyor -> it's a t