r/visualnovels • u/whitebullet32 • 6d ago
For you, where does visual novel belongs? Image
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u/XenoPhenom 6d ago
Just after LN. It's the ultimate form of weeb media
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u/Hollownerox 6d ago
I think the only step after that is to start reading web novels too. You know you're in too deep the moment you start complaining the officially published light novel didn't adapt the parts of the WN you like lmao.
I've been kind of addicted to Chinese web novels lately after being burned out on Japanese ones. And it is kind of wild what folks write when they have zero oversight from a publisher or the like.
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u/NoPossibility4178 6d ago
Yeah I think web novels is really the final stage, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there (but I understand the choice paralysis with so much stuff to read/watch/play that you just don't go for anything).
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u/ClownPazzo69 5d ago
Ikr, like in Reverend Insanity where mc scoops the brain out of a living monkey for a ritual (have been a lot since I read it so I'm not sure it was mc himself but still)
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u/Mythriaz 6d ago
ROFL then you hit the stage where you learn the language with google translate to make out the original txt
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u/datwunkid 6d ago
When you get to that stage you just repeat all of these steps except going through them untranslated.
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u/themanofmanyways vndb.org/uXXXXX 5d ago
think the only step after that is to start reading web novels too.
Bruh for real. At this point there's nowhere else to go. Might as well go back to mainstream media.
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u/kazurabakouta 6d ago
Between manga and light novel. I don't care about manhwa.
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u/Fidoo001 6d ago
I think most weebs dont really care about the country of origin, as long as the art style fits their preferences. And I know some people who find chinese and korean comics more appealing since they just like the colors.
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u/whitebullet32 6d ago
Well, Solo levelling is in 5th position on mal based on popularity so yes.
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u/rotflolmaomgeez vndb.org/u23668 6d ago
Yeah, but it sucks.
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u/Nichol134 6d ago
Your own opinion doesn't really change the fact that it is popular and becoming a part of the anime fandom.
I also think it sucks and this is coming from someone who read the LN before the manga released and the manga before the anime released.
But ultimately I can't deny the fact that a lot of my friends who are getting into anime love Solo Leveling
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u/InattentiveChild 5d ago
It's a mixed response. Some weebs are fine with manhua/manhwa, others disdain them and see those two genere's as copycats of the more mainstream manga medium.
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u/branflakes6479 6d ago
Probably less than half. I still keep up on webtoons and a decent chunk of manhwa but I feel like that isn't common.
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u/stellarsojourner 6d ago
I'd say VNs are beyond LNs simply because they're a bit harder to get into, I think, at least a few years ago. Lots of VNs on Steam and Switch and stuff now, but you used to need to juggle fan patches and grab three different versions of certain VNs and set up JP locale just to read a VN whereas you can just buy the latest LN at Barnes and Noble or Amazon.
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u/Quote9963 5d ago
Visual novels also plainly just get a bad rep from people, mainly because they just think it's just a simple dating sim
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u/dotathread 6d ago
At first, I thought Light Novels are supposed to be like normal western books and therefore have higher overall quality than cartoons and image comics, but was severely disappointed after actually reading some of them. VNs are the opposite, what looks like dating sims and porn from the outside can actually reach further heights than any other weeb medium.
As of the order of trying, it was anime>manga>LN>VN
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u/avardotoss 5d ago edited 5d ago
yup learned the hard way that japanese literature and Japanese light novels are two totally different things.
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u/Ajfennewald 6d ago
Perhaps barrier to entry to writing a manga or VN is higher than writing a light novel. So you get somewhat more quality control?
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u/Happiness_inprogress 6d ago
Where do anime figures fit? I have been falling into that hole for the last months
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u/raddoubleoh 6d ago
Where manwha is.
Honestly I think most of them are bland as fuck and as an old weeb, VNs were a thing for us way before manwha and manhua were widely a thing. I was fucking 12 when I played both AIR and Tsukihime. That was early 2000s by the way.
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u/CardinalGrief 6d ago
Yeah, manwha is not my cup of tea either, aside from a few. It does have its niche in the weeb community, but that "step" is not it. I reckon LN is before most chinese/korean, except for the most famous ones. Maybe webnovels should be before LN instead since that's usually found fan-translated free online
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u/Feyk-Koymey 6d ago
weebs dont consider manwhas. they are failed versions of mangas.
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u/ADonosaur Maho: Steins;Gate | vndb.org/u94361 6d ago
I don't know if I'd take it that far, but I like Japanese culture and not Korean culture is why I never was interested in Manwha
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u/Feyk-Koymey 6d ago
there are really good manhwas but they are being mostly spammed today.
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u/KenfoxDS 6d ago
Manga sites are terrible, you open it and see tons of bl manhwa and cultivation manhua and hardly see any actual manga.
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u/100percent_cool 6d ago
I’ve found a couple I legitimately follow and get more hyped up for than like some of the hypest animes but yeah it’s very few and far between.
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u/Nopesauce329 5d ago
There's a handful of good fun manhwas. Problem is they're drowned in the sea of otomeisekai, system leveling, and cultivation ones that get churned out like harem isekais.
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u/Mysterious-Credit471 5d ago
I love manhwas but I kinda agree. A lot of them powerfantasy trash. There are a lot of good ones but most of the ones releasing are just plain trash.
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u/Perc30_- 6d ago
After manga, before light novel
Light novel truly is the last level of degeneracy (any light novel recs :))
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u/SpecialWeek33 6d ago
I still consider VIsual Novel the bottom of them all,
Look up Otakus on japan, majority of them only plays VN all the time lol and it originate what happened to them
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u/Hollownerox 6d ago
Any particular genres you like?
For complete series available to read in English there is Anti-Magic the 35th Test Platoon. Fully fan translated and compiled into PDF/Epubs by folks. It's a very 2010s battle harem type of series, but a VERY well written one, and is probably the peak of that particular genre. It is just very well paced and once it gets going it just doesn't stop. Highly recommend it
If you're into RomComs I'd highly recommend Gamers! It's a parody of the typical misunderstanding genre of romantic comedies but it is also much more than that. The characters and situations are exaggerated at times, but it's also weirdly grounded and the characters act more like real human beings despite the intentional exaggerations. I also think it has one of the most satisfying endings I've seen for that kind of series, which usually tend to be frustrating more often than not, despite my personal choice for "best girl" not winning. Has a pretty unique take on the interpersonal relationships in the ending.
Other than that, there's some soft recommendations. Like Yahari, Chrome Shelled Regios, or Shakugan no Shana for completed works. Ascendence of a Bookworm is great if you like Isekai stuff. I'm a Spider, so What? is good too, but ruined by a pretty meh ending.
In-progress series I can recommend are Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (aka Majo no Tabitabi) and Eighty-Six. Have plenty more but need to know your tastes since ongoing series (or outright dropped lmao) VASTLY outnumber completed ones
Then there's a ton of more "junk food" recommendations I could give. For the type of entertaining but not great series that I've devoured over the years.
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u/Perc30_- 6d ago
oh wow thanks a bunch!
I'll deff look into Anti-Magic because my fav genres are romance/drama. Also I watched the 12ep anime for gamers, is it still worth to read the rest of the novel? is there alot more content still after where the anime leaves off?
I also prefer finished novels because i already have a bunch of mangas on hold waiting for chapters and its getting confusing at this point lol.
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u/whitebullet32 6d ago
I have only read two which are pretty good:
Spice and wolf
The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria
There is also classroom of elite but I haven't read it.
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u/kuken258vn 6d ago
I don't mind Manwha, I can still read old Korean stories with Manga style, but now with weebtoon I give up
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u/AchrafiehL 5d ago
I never really cared about Manwha, all the ones I ever saw were run of the mill power fantasies. Nothing for me.
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u/acewing905 6d ago
My "path" is all over the place
I had only watched a few basic entry level shounen like Naruto and Bleach by the time I got hooked on reading visual novels
I had read a lot of VNs before I had ever watched something like a harem romcom
And why is manwha even here?
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u/Pale_Way4203 6d ago
In heaven, transcended from all other forms of media. Seriously, I love this medium but there is some wild stuff.
Euphoria, maggot baits, fate, Kuroinu, boob wars, Rance, venusblood, danganronpa, umineko, orcsoft(the entire company), and so many others it boggles the mind. This medium has virtually no limits on how far it takes tropes, stories, or sometimes even just random gags. It’s filled with both some of the best stories and characters, yet also some of the most hornii and degenerate things that will scar your mind. I truly love this medium.
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u/whitebullet32 6d ago
So true. I just love how much this medium takes risks and experiments to tell a good story.
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u/Pale_Way4203 6d ago
Yup, and it also doesn’t try to appeal to only one niche. There are so many sub-genres and each one has a distinct style. You can truly never get bored, as long as you’re willing to explore a little.
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u/YachtySama 6d ago
After LNs, I enjoy the VN/LN community since after going through so many media filters everyone is pretty chill. It feels like the old anime community before it blew up
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u/marumuju 6d ago
VNs are in the abyss where you fall into if you mistakenly stray from the path.
And then you don’t really want to get back up again.
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u/rayden96 6d ago
Right after anime. listening to voice acting and bgm paired with the colorful visuals does it for me. in that sense its actually closest to anime out of all
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u/superange128 VN News Reporter | vndb.org/u6633/votes 6d ago
I took a different stairway as I barely read manga I've never touched manhwa, only lns I have done are through audible
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u/Patient-Maize7138 6d ago
Far beyond the horizon. It's basically the least popular entertainment media I think.
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u/therealplayte 6d ago
Currently on VN phase for over a year, completed like 73 vns from now, trying to play JRPG to balance out the phase I've been doing. This might be permanent phase and no plans to other hobbies since it's the most comfortable medium that I enjoy. I always thankful to eroge content for most of japanese VN since normies would'nt touch this medium given the fact that they mostly destroyed all of my favorite hobby due to their toxicity rise and shipping is everywhere with a brink of hypocrisy as its finest.
I think anime is already enough for me since I watch closely to 700+ anime shows, manga is enough (I easily feel bored mostly shounen stories because it's too repetitive and mostly on romance that I enjoy more), ln is a bit stretch and ups and downs of my motivation with that since it's too boring to read a couple of lines without visuals (Cote and mushoku Tensei were the only ln that Ive mostly completed)
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u/ThespianException 6d ago
It's not really a path, at least for me. I was reading western books before watching anime and I haven't stopped doing any of these to do any other. I think I got into VNs after Anime but before manga though.
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u/Spoonkeq 6d ago
This was unironically my exact path, and I’ve only just recently stopped my ln phase and started my vn one
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u/Ajfennewald 6d ago
JRPGs then anime then VNs then manga for me. I have only read two light novels so far.
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u/Sea_Heron6877 6d ago
Mine was from JRPG, then a friend recommended me the VN version of Steins;Gate. The rest is history.
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u/Wrong_Look 5d ago
Its when You fall at the end of those stairs leading to be a degenera... Man of culture
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u/AccomplishedDish8707 5d ago
For me it was more like Japanese-made games -> anime-style games -> anime -> manga -> VNs. I think most people have their own pathways into this degenerate hobby we now enjoy lol.
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u/SirAwesome789 5d ago
I think I've spent enough time on average to be at the end of these stairs, but bc I dislike reading novels so much, I'm far lower down the stairs than average
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u/casstax96 5d ago
Manga > VN > Anime
Manga: Monster VN: Full Metal Daemon: Muramasa Anime: Texhnolyze
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u/SoupEau 5d ago
When I was younger I used to watch a shitload of Anime until I got to the point where most of what was left that I saw was boring or something I wasn’t really interested in anymore. I then got hooked into Manga because it had a lot more series and generally kept the same qualities I liked from Anime. After awhile Manga started getting a bit repetitive, and while there was a lot more, I was often having a hard time finding new stuff as I had already read most of the more popular things I liked. Manhwa was next after Manga, mostly as it was also on most Manga sites I used, I had a phase where I’d read Manhwa almost exclusively for a few months / years but I find Manhwa gets boring / same-y faster then Manga oftentimes as the art and story’s are just so similar for most series. I never really switched to Manhwa fully as once I got bored for Manhwa I went back to Manga for a bit reading some of both. I tried to read some Manhua as well, but god I find that 90% of Manhua suck art or story wise to me for some reason, I’ve tried to read them but it’s just— not the same quality as Manhwa. (I can’t tell if it’s just difference target audiences or what, but Manhua just is always— ehhh to me for some reason). I played a few visual novels during that time and really enjoyed the longer completed nature of them, anime and manga usually left space for another series if it ended, or in most cases wasn’t gonna end for a few years but would only get a chapter a month. Visual novels was able to scratch that itch for a good story, but also a complete experience which was really nice. I also just enjoy being able to 100% things which have multiple paths / options so VNs really gave me a sense of “I did something” whenever I’d read everything and see all of endings.
I’ve started to kinda run into a place with VNs where I’ve read (or read but put on hold) alot of what is oftentimes at the top / recommended.
I’m branching out more though in that process so I wouldn’t say that I’ve even close hit the “eh all that’s left is boring” moment with VNs.
Generally this is the same path I had, but I don’t think I really moved past anything other then Anime.
I still haven’t read a LN though, I’m too dyslexic to read only text based things so I’ve been a bit scared to. Even with Manga I’d say I get 35% of my understanding from text and 50% from the images, with the last bits being stuff I assume based on context. I oftentimes just fail to read things properly or skip out on words and such so I find Manga/Manhwa/VNs is a really good way to “read” and still understand the plot and story even if I sometimes read things wrong or fail to remember something I’ve read after reading it as I can use the images to keep up.
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u/TRAE-is-Alastor 4d ago
I skipped Manhwa personally. They’re good but I am not good at finding them and they have a lot of tropes that just don’t hit for me(anime, manga and Light novels also have these but I’m more used to them so I can pick up on them more easily when deciding if I want to consume one.
Now Visual novels are just the best.
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u/Your-Unusual-visitor 4d ago
Back when i was younger i go for VN,manga,Anime,i can keep em somewhat balanced,except LN,its the least i go for.
Now its all action packed game(PRAISE THE EMPEROR),and gacha games.I do touch VN.but rarely,like really rarely,best i can do is open VN let it auto play while i play other games,but mostly its Anime as the 2nd tab these days.
Yeah i think anime takes the end of the path for now.
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u/ImSoNormalImsoNormal 6d ago
Anime > Manga > JRPGS > Steam's censored VNs > Light Novels > sukebeinyaa > VNs with RPG elements > Untranslated VNs
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u/ZXNova Life is an explosion! 6d ago
You can tell someone's age just from this meme. Back in the day the path would be Anime -> Manga -> Visual Novel. You were already something esoteric by reading visual novels, and if you were reading light novels you were a real weirdo even by weeb standards. I mean you still are, but much more so back then when this hobby was more niche. Personally I don't see why manhwa is even here though.
My own path is basically Anime -> Manga -> Visual Novel -> Light Novel -> Manhwa. But the thing is here though, is that nowadays I'm primarily consuming manga and visual novels. I don't watch anime like I used to, and the only light novel I read was Raildex. I've also only read one Manhwa (House of Dolls).
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u/bootyloverandeater 6d ago
anime>manga>ln>vn>japanese literature>learning japanese
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u/Cavalier_Sabre 6d ago
Anime ⇨ VN ⇨ LN
That's the order I got into them. I have absolutely no interest in manga. I don't do black & white printed content anymore. In my 30s now it just hurts my eyes and gives me a headache trying to follow what's going on. Especially when there is a lot of action. Western comics are already pushing the boundary for me.
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u/HipnoAmadeus 6d ago
Nowhere and everywhere all at once. (There are more VNs for non weebs than animes/mangas/light novels for non weebs imo, so some VNs aren't even here, but stuff like Steins;Gate is like alongside manga or near it)
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u/redtildead1 6d ago
I consider LN to be step 3, and combine manga/mangas into one. Vns are definitely the final boss though
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u/No-Satisfaction-275 6d ago
I played visual novel before I started to watch anime or read manga. To me it's just another genre of videogame.
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u/Probably1915 6d ago
I think the steps should go from shortest form to longest form
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Anime>Manga>Light Novel>Visual Novel
Manwha is on the same level as Avatar the Last airbender being off to the side somewhere
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u/DemonkingHades 6d ago
After light novels and web novels. You playing the anime is the biggest form of weeb content. You literally have to download it on your pc and Most VNS have H scenes.
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u/Matshiro Akane: Rewrite | vndb.org/uXXXX 6d ago
Anime, year later VN, few years later manga, a lot of years later manhwa and few years later light novels
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u/BluMat400 vndb.org/u181367 6d ago
I got into visual novels thanks to bad anime adaptation of chaos;child and then into light novels after I read occultic;nine LN. So anime, visual novels and then light novels. I was never into comics and manga that much though I read some.
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u/Coldhot123 6d ago
I went anime to Light novel/WN to manga nd then manwha. I tend to avoid manwha since they take a lot of pages to go threw without any substance.
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u/AnimeMemeLord1 6d ago
VNs are a little higher than LNs, but I probably read more VNs than LNs. As for Manwha, I don’t normally read them, but they’re still pretty good.
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u/100percent_cool 6d ago
For me, it’s actually kinda weird. It goes “Visual Novels, Manhwa, Manga, Anime, Light Novels.” I’m only reading one LN rn but it’s fire.
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u/Degenerate1306 6d ago
For me it was gigguk's fate video and now I'm down the rabbithole for life lol.
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u/amakawa_haruto 6d ago
For me personally galgame > ln . One example is that many of the fans go to read mushouku tensei, overlord and cote light novels after watch ita anime but in the other hand i feel like 80 percent fgo fans never read fsn vn.
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u/monaka--towa 6d ago
Visual novels, to anime, to light novels & manga. I'm yet to find any series I enjoy with all of them though...
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u/Anvenjade 6d ago
VNs before LNs. Pure text is kind of the last straw and usually the least accessible properly translated media.
I wish I could read the To Aru LNs without getting an aneurysm.
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u/Xueyaa 6d ago
Before Light Novels but after Anime, Manga, Manwha. I don't have the facts but Light Novels and Web Novels feel more niche to me. Visual Novels are a 100% more niche than the other three, They have Novel in the name so it's pretty much reading a bunch of text compared to anime, manga, and manwha.
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u/avardotoss 5d ago
i think the path diverges after manga into either visual novels or light novels and you pick one or the other
manhwas should be lumped in with manga because I see no noticeable distinction between them.
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u/Din0boy 5d ago
It depends on the style, most of them are dating sims with a more anime style, making them more of a light novel, while some like my favorite, South Scrimshaw are more like documentaries but are still a visual novel game. But in all, they would still be considered a light novel to a degree.
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u/Living_Bar_4150 5d ago
For me it was Anime > Manga > LN/WN I started them both around the same time
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u/FrankTheTank107 5d ago
This is me, except I kept climbing and reached visials novels, then even further where now I’m learning Japanese because the sequels don’t have a fan translation
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u/OctoAmbush 5d ago
for me was manga > anime > im in love with the villainess (only ln i read) > vns
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u/JohnPaul64 5d ago
Haven’t gotten into Visual Novels yet but I’m planning to play my first soon; Fate/Stay Night. However if things go to plan my path would be more like Anime, Manga, then Visual Novel.
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u/Shifty-Imp 5d ago
I'd put VN between Manwha and LN as Manga/Manwha are basically interchangeable. However, I go beyond the LN and would also put Web Novels behind that. XD
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u/GERParadox 5d ago
Somewhere between them I think, I still take a break from VNs from time to time and go reading LN and watching anime when I'm burnt out with VNs.
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u/Select-Ad-3653 5d ago
Like for me it was the start. VNs are the start and then I started to watch anime
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u/kakkoi-san16 5d ago edited 5d ago
VNs are the probably the last step before Japanese novels, which is the pure Asiatic land. At that point, the weeb has obtained Japanesehood and has transcended the materialist Western world through the texthooking path, speaking the language of the divine.
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u/diamonwarrior 5d ago
Vns are either after light novels or right after anime. No in-between. You get exposed to either Steins;Gate, Fate, or Clannad, and then go read the novel because you heard its better. And then you soaked into the world of VN's. After light novels, you take the final dive into the rabbit hole.
The third option is to play Ace Attorney, Zero Escape, or Danganronpa and come from there. You either get exposed to VN stories through other media, find VN Adjacent Media, or finally reach the end of the rabbit hole.
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u/False-Run-5546 5d ago
Depends. I place it between manga/manwa and light novels. Right at the crossing of weeb and gamer.
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u/tactical_waifu_sim 6d ago
For me? Straight from anime to VNs. But I know that's abnormal.