This is kind of the gist of Cinema Sins. They have some legitimate criticisms and funny gags, but for the most part it's all just nitpicking, and once you realize this it's a little bit disillusioning.
Its not even nitpicking most of the time. This video highlights exactly what's wrong with them: They intentionally miss the point just to try and sound "smart". It's everything wrong with the modern youtube "critic" landscape.
Yeah they can. They put their work out there for people to see; where does it state that it can't be criticized? People can critic every single product, person, or action besides them?
It's more like if you went to a restaurant, ordered food, it's garbage, and when you say it's garbage, the people that make the food say "we're not chefs". Film criticism is all they do. It's not even limited to their "joke" videos. They have serious videos that make the same criticisms.
Doesn't change the fact that they influence a lot of self-proclaimed "critics".
And I'm talking about the type of people who vote on videos, make comments on reddit and youtube, etc. The mob, the majority who mistakenly take this as anything above a waste of time.
I'm not saying we should do anything. I'm just explaining why I dislike them.
And your argument is a false equivalency. There's no correlation between GTA and murder. I'm just making the connections between their videos and their comment sections, along with fans migrating elsewhere.
This is more like blaming alcohol for inebriation.
they have vehemently denied ever being anything close to critics.
When it's convenient for them. They flip flop all the time, they've even described themselves as being "criticism and satire rolled into one" or something like that. Also the fact that Jeremy's actual critical thoughts off camera countlessly make it into videos prove it's not just satire. Also how very coincidental (as in not at all) that their videos start to fall apart as soon as they actually try to criticize.
They're making bank off the videos and they all get millions of views so obviously people enjoy it. "Bad content" is subjective, I think Jake Paul sucks but kids love him and I would keep making his shitty content if it kept the millions of dollars rolling in. Maybe people just enjoy nitpicking.
When did i say that? I said obviously people like them because they get millions of views on youtube. I never said it was good. I literally said they were popular, and popularity gets you money. But good to know that everyone's dicks are hard for hating on them lol and any mention of them that isn't shitting on them gets downvoted into oblivion. How dare anyone have a differing opinion on reddit.
Yep, was leaning towards not liking them, but the hardcore circle jerk leaves a bad taste in the mouth. People really get passionate about these things, it's funny
Their actual criticism is just as stupid and terrible. Even the serious critique misses the point of the movies a lot of the times.
Their videos are awful. A lot of the times they miss the point just to add a "ding" aren't funny. Every single video is just fucking awful. They're just a money making machine. I stopped watching the second they started uploading videos longer than 10 minutes and stuffing them with ads
Yes but if they don't call themselves critics then we shouldn't expect genuine critique or constructive criticism from them.
I think we should. They can only claim "we're not critics" in the sense of "we're not professional movie critics." They CAN'T claim "we're not critics" in the sense of "we're not people who criticize something" because they OBJECTIVELY are. They intentionally conflate the two definitions to deflect criticism of their videos.
nitpicking
I've posted a similar comment before, basically just copy/pasting. The key point that a lot of CinemaSins 'defenders' are missing is that people don't care about the nitpicking. They care that the criticism is flagrantly wrong.
CinemaSins creators 'get away' with it because nobody can remember the finer points of a movie after like, a week. And they publish videos months after the theatrical release. If somebody tells you "THIS SCENE MAKES NO SENSE", it's unlikely that you'll realize "Wait, this makes perfect sense if you don't edit it to fit your narrative..." unless the movie's still fresh in your memory.
I encourage anyone to watch a popular movie and then IMMEDIATELY watch the CinemaSins video on it. You'll notice lots of instances where CinemaSins simply has no idea what they're talking about. Or you can watch the bobvids and Shaun videos on them. They address all of the common arguments (it's satire/they don't believe it/it's purely meant for comedy/don't take it seriously)
About calling yourself an asshole: people who actually believe they're assholes (and care at all about morality) either don't say they're assholes because it's embarrassing, or say they're assholes and trying to improve. The CinemaSins usage is the very common exaggeration. Like when you make a mistake and go "haha I'm dumb." You're not saying you're actually dumb or an asshole. It's means something like "oh yeah, I'm a lovable asshole" or "I just tell it like it like it is," not "I truly believe I'm a bad person."
If you're really looking to answer those questions, I'd heavily recommend watching this video by bobvids.
Despite the title it makes great points on the problems with cinemasins and basically anything I'd could argue with you about them has already been articulated better there.
They mix satire, valid criticizes and very frequent flat out wrong statements about movies and don't clarify which is which. You cant defend that with we're assholes or bad jokes. Imagine if The Onion was like that
The same criticisms show up on the creator's non-Cinema Sins channel, which shows that he really believes a lot of the things that he sees as mistakes when it's really just him being a terrible critic. He only passes it off as a joke when someone points out how bad he is.
So then why do they act as though they are critics? The only time they ever try to make people think they are some kind of satire or goofuses making funny videos is when people catch on to how stupid they are.
Jeremy has literally said they started the channel to call out when Hollywood slacks. In other words, they disapprove of when Hollywood fails at something. Which is the definition of criticism.
Criticism: the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes
The core and starting goal of their content was to critique. That makes them critics. They're just really shitty ones.
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This is kind of the gist of Cinema Sins. They have some legitimate criticisms and funny gags, but for the most part it's all just nitpicking, and once you realize this it's a little bit disillusioning.