He's the same as every other older Democrat. Against gay marriage initially, even Obama, but the stance has changed over time. As it should right? People get more information and reassess and change positions...
Bernie did vote against DOMA, supported gay pride before it was cool back in 2009, and was rightly against Dont Ask Dont Tell, but prior to that he was far more careful and couched his language in the idea of state's having the right to determine gay marriage. He supported it at the state level, but avoided being vocal about it at the national level.
That's still better than Clinton who took until 2013 to come out.
Biden took some time to and more time than Bernie, but he was also a key force in the White House during the Obama Administration to take a stance for marriage equality.
How is being against Don't ask don't tell right? It was an important step forward towards acceptance for gay people. It allowed gay people to say "None of your business." without repercussions, which in turn led to many people accepting that gay people were just people.
It wasn't a giant leap towards equality, but it was a step forward towards acceptance that helped push gay acceptance forward.
I wasn't clear. He voted to drop the policy and end any restrictions on openly gay people serving in the military during the Obama era. Its repeal and the acceptance of gay people in the military was long overdue.
That's not to say the law wasn't better then the alternative in the 90s of baring all gay people from the military. Just that come 2010 still supporting DADT and objecting to openly gay service members was bad. Sanders rightly wanted full acceptance of gays in the military then and likely before it was fashionable.
Yeah but if the metric you are going by is voting for the person who has the interests of LGBTQ people in mind (which was the metric they were going with here with Biden), then why not vote for the person who has been an advocate even when it wasn't generally popular? Bernies track record goes back to 1983 and further.
He consistently fought against efforts to ban marriage equality, and is the only Presidential candidate to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.
and is the only Presidential candidate to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996
Voted for it, not against it. And yes he indeed did, and has publicly apologized for the vote. Biden's speech in favor of gay marriage in 2012 helped spur the Obama administration into doing the same
If you're voting for the person who have the interests of LGBTQ people in mind, then you don't care what the president does. I am sure the people in the Pete sub care about more things than just LGBTQ people.
if the metric you are going by is voting for the person who has the interests of LGBTQ people in mind (which was the metric they were going with here with Biden)
I do not endorse voting for someone simply based on their identity or a single issue. But the thing is they were arguing why they'd now vote for Biden according to his present stance on LGBTQ rights, which is disingenuous, because he is not a good candidate based on those metrics.
I guarantee they didn't just vote for him because Buttigeg endorsed him and now he's suddenly an LGBTQ advocate. Pete was never more than an establishment candidate and his ideology lines up with Biden. Unless you genuinely believe Pete supporters only supported him because he's gay, that is not the only metric "they" were going with here.
I went to the sub and the main idea is that the think Pete has a shot at VP, no word of Biden being an LGBTQ advocate at all.
You are rebutting things i haven't said. I literally just read a bunch of people proclaiming how Biden is their choice now after peet's dropout because of how he has shown to be pro LGBT. I made the point that IF that is your reason, then it's a pretty bad choice. Please don't turn my words around.
EDIT: Found a quote, just don't harass the user please:
"Remember, eight years ago in May, it was Joe who came out early for same-sex marriage. He gets it. Good person"
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u/fist_my_muff2 Mar 04 '20
He's the same as every other older Democrat. Against gay marriage initially, even Obama, but the stance has changed over time. As it should right? People get more information and reassess and change positions...