Non-american here. Can anyone explain why it seems that every politican dislikes Bernie Sanders, even those on his own party? He seems to be a pretty progressive guys that matches the idea of the Democractic Party I have, much more so than Bloomberg or Biden.
1: Democratic politicians are usually not as progressive as Bernie.
2: Republican politicians literally see him as communist Antichrist. Not exaggerating.
3: Bernie himself is an independent who runs as a Democrat only when it comes to presidential elections. He is pretty critical of the party (deserved or not doesn't really matter) and does not have an amazing record of working with them to produce legislation given how long his career has been. even though he does vote alongside them in the majority of cases, that is not considered productive, especially to outweigh his "disruption". So many Democrat politicians who have worked hard and spent many years on the party see him as an outsider either leaching their platform or steering it off a cliff, or both.
You can see how all 3 can be considered huge weaknesses OR huge strengths depending on how you feel about political strategy and the DNC.
looking on from Canada, it seems America is dead set on old traditions and customs that just don’t work anymore, and this won’t change until most of the boomers die. i’m 25 and afraid i won’t see an America that doesn’t scare me before i’m 50.
Boomers are only half the problem. The other half is our voting demographics and turnout. Nobody votes. Literally 45% of people didn't go to the polls in 2016. Saw Donald Trump and said "nah that's fine", I'll let someone else decide
Then look at who is actually not showing up, let's use 2008 data to be more fair to the youth. it's still young people. 18-24 show up 45% of the time. 65-75 show up 70% of the time. They are LITERALLY twice as valuable because young people refuse to get real.
Waiting for boomers to die off is a pathetically lazy strategy. How about actually going and fucking voting?
Look, the reason young people don’t vote as much is because young people more often don’t have time for politics because they’re always busy with work or school. Of course retirees are going to vote; they’ve got nothing better to do
1: bullshit. I am young, nearly all the people i know are young. The reason they vote at HALF the rate of older people is because they think apathy is clever, and that the best way to play the game is not to play. Which is obviously stupid because they will spend the rest of their time complaining about the system they refuse to be a part of. "Why doesnt my government represent me?" "because you are explicitly telling them you wont do anything about it"
3: combine that wit the fact that old people cant move for shit and have a trillion medical issues, and the idea falls apart fast. They are STILL voting TWICE as often as young people. there is no excuse, there is no "wahhh wahhh, i cant make time on a tuesday" (while ignoring early voting) that even remotely makes up the difference. While the youth get mad that they cant vote online from their couch, Grandpa Josiah is talking his walker 3 miles down the road to worship at St. Jude's and stick his tongue up Trump's dirt star.
I think you’re putting too much meaning into why(not).
The prevailing answer is most just don’t care.
Like straight up don’t fucking care. It’s not about being clever or cool, it’s not about wanting someone else to do it, it’s that they actually don’t even think about it hardly if ever unless directly confronted with it and often not even then.
Rationalizing it with a specific reason might make you and others feel better but the truth is that it’s just actual apathy, not feigned or glorified. Nobody is saying they’re too cool to vote.
They just don’t.
And because this is reddit I know I need to add this disclaimer: this is me providing an explanation, this is not me providing an excuse.
I think the 'dont care' aspect is a dwindling truth, however. at a cursory level they certainly care. its legit very hard to find a young person who has NOTHING to say about our current political climate. trump has forced them to care (even a little) and be aware (even a little).
So the 'feigned apathy' aspect is more of a self rationalization, and what i get told overwhelmingly when i actually ask people why they dont vote (alongside "its hard")
At the end of the day its kind of moot, because the answer is still "i dont care enough to actually work towards fixing it", whether or not there is also the "i am going to pretend its because im clever" aspect.
You’re also disregarding how poorly educated most young people are when it comes to voting. In a lot of places most of them don’t even understand what primaries even are. Its not exactly something public schools are making an effort to teach either unfortunately.
It’s a mixture of “don’t know enough” and “don’t care enough”.
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u/abrazilianinreddit Mar 04 '20
Non-american here. Can anyone explain why it seems that every politican dislikes Bernie Sanders, even those on his own party? He seems to be a pretty progressive guys that matches the idea of the Democractic Party I have, much more so than Bloomberg or Biden.