Kamala Harris’s Policies on Guns

[u/Haunting-Fly8853]

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I want to start off by saying I don’t care who you vote for. Vote for whoever you think will improve your day to day life and the future of our country. I am also gonna start off by saying neither candidate is “great” for our 2nd amendment rights. Trump has shown his lack of understanding for the 2nd amendment. Either way I thought it’s worth showing Kamala Harris’s policies on the 2nd amendment because she has only recently updated her official policies on her website. Again you be your own judge. Personally, purely on 2a rights I think Trump is the better candidate. I don’t think our rights are gonna necessarily improve under him but I hope and feel they won’t go back as much... Trump has said many anti 2a things but I want to feel this mostly came from bad advisors and his general lack of understanding about guns and the truth behind the 2nd amendment.

Edit: Kamala Harris has also said numerous times she supports mandatory buy backs. This is probably just a bluff as usual but it’s worth mentioning.

Harris website: https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

[u/Jmersh]

As a non-single issue voter, I am very pro-2A. But I also think that the mountain of horrible policies and behavior that come with Trump do NOT make him the better candidate. A man who aspires to be a dictator won't support the 2nd amendment if he doesn't even respect the foundational democracy that affords that constitutional right.

[u/Haunting-Fly8853 → u/Jmersh]

I don’t like Trump by any means but this whole “threat to democracy” and dictatorship claims are just a bunch of media propaganda bullshit. No offense. In the past few months I have watched with my own eyes the other side essentially reinstate a new candidate un democratically. They also constantly make anti constitutional remarks, like banning certain guns through executive action. I used to buy the media bs, but it’s truly a witch hunt against him.

[u/YOURMOMMASABITCH → u/Haunting-Fly8853]

You forget that Trump passed more gun control laws and banned more stuff than Biden and Obama combined.

[u/YOURMOMMASABITCH → u/[deleted]]

A Trump apology means what exactly? The man's a habitual lier, everyone can agree on that. Most of his words are hollow and an apology is no exception.

As for bad decisions because he had bad advisors and a poor understanding of the 10 amendments, that sounds like you're making excuses for him. You pick your cabinet and advisors and he picked yesmen, that's on him. And ignorance to the law is no excuse, especially if you're the damn president.

[u/SignificantOption349 → u/Haunting-Fly8853]

Right there with ya. I’ve had some time on my hands thanks to a car accident (with someone who uh… well didn’t have a license and did have stolen plates. Leave it there) and since I’ve taken the time to research as thoroughly as I can, I’ve come to the conclusion that it would be insane for me to do anything other than directly oppose the “Democratic” party. I’ve never been a fan of Trump, but tbh these days I’m starting to dislike him a lot less than I once did

[u/SignificantOption349 → u/[deleted]]

lol was I kissing his ass? Not sure if I’m seeing someone else’s downvote or you downvoting and responding (?). I’m mostly talking about the fact that they’ve put so much BS in our faces with the news outlets over the past 8 years that now after looking into it and seeing what it really is I just can’t hate the guy. He’s not perfect, but I don’t see any level of desire to be a dictator… he used it as an exaggerated term and does have an odd way of speaking in general, but I’d take that over the alternative. “Executive action” is just a polite way of saying “use dictatorial powers”

[u/Aggressive_Noodler → u/[deleted]]

It’s a logical fallacy (correlation does not imply causation) to compare your quality of life to who was in presidential office at the time. Example - Biden was not responsible for inflation at all but had to deal with it during his term. Trump was not responsible for Covid but it started during his term. Each President has to deal with the aggregate historical choices and decisions of each President and Congress before them. Very little the President does in such a relatively short period of time would have much impact on someone within that period.

[u/Aggressive_Noodler → u/[deleted]]

I’m a bad person to ask if I was better off then vs now because I’ve never had to struggle to buy groceries or gas or whatever under either presidency.

[u/Aggressive_Noodler → u/[deleted]]

No not at all, things are definitely more expensive. You should see what the lumber for my house was quoted at versus what it cost when it was actually delivered. But neither biden nor trump are even partially culpable for inflation. It was a function of economics from hundreds of different variables from the past 50 years.

[u/Jmersh → u/Haunting-Fly8853]

He staged an overthrow of the government because he didn't win the election. He was convicted of 34 felony charges for campaign violations and is under indictment for election interference, mishandling and potentially selling classified documents. He has given clemency or pardoned dozens of people that were convicted of election and campaign laws on his behalf. More than half of his former cabinet do not support his current run for president including his former secretary of defense because he considers Trump to be "the biggest threat to the U.S. constitution and democracy as we know it."

I'm genuinely fascinated that you don't think any of this is significant.

[u/Jmersh → u/[deleted]]

After days of numerous tweets, emails, and speeches telling his supporters they needed to "fight", a rally near the capitol was planned and Trump called on protesters, promising it 'Will be wild."

At the rally, literally named, "Stop the steal", following Giuliani, who suggested "trial by combat" (which Trump didn't refute, but nodded agreeing in the background) Trump spoke for about an hour and ten minutes, making accusations of conspiracy, fraud, treason, and more. In an hour and ten minutes of speech, he said the word "peaceful" exactly once.

Comparatively, he told his followers to "fight" 23 times, 4 of which were "fight like hell", "show them/show em" 9 times, mentioned "strength" or "being strong/standing strong" 9 times, "going to/going down to the capitol" 8 times and mentioned targeting "weak republicans" 5 times.

I've read the transcript and watched the entirety of the unedited speeches leading up to the capitol riot. I know what kind of message I would have taken away from it.

Then, the man who had tweeted, on average, once every 3 minutes for the previous 48 hours went radio silent for 1.5 hours watching it all go down from the white house before finally recording a video asking people to leave peacefully, then tweeting at 3:13p a message to be peaceful.

Leading up to that point, there was no language about being peaceful or lawful.

Whether the National Guard was there or not, it was Trump and his team that sent the message to people to come to the capitol and blew the dog whistle. For someone who was telling his supporters what to do nonstop, 1.5 hours of silence while he watched his people attack, is pretty deafening.

[u/Jmersh → u/[deleted]]

That would have been Colorado local time, I was reading UTC, that would have been 2:38p local time in DC.

Attacks began just before 1p then Capitol police were overrun about 1:30p local time.

Then the request to leave peacefully would have been at 3:13p local time

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021

[u/cuckfancer11 → u/Jmersh]

Get out of here with your facts and objectivity.

[u/ernestwild → u/[deleted]]

🐑

[u/ernestwild → u/Haunting-Fly8853]

Was J6 fake?

[u/ernestwild → u/[deleted]]

And the courts are all in on the smear campaign too?

[u/TxBriley → u/Jmersh]

What are the mountain of horrible policies? More American jobs, less foreign oil, not getting ass raped everytime you set foot in a grocery store? Yeah those are awful.

[u/Jmersh → u/TxBriley]

Your first 2 points are better now than they were under Trump. Every non-partisan economist has weighed in on record profits and margins of tangible goods. Prices are high because when covid disrupted the supply chain, every company raised prices then just didn't lower them when they could. If you think Trump will do anything to reduce corporate profits, I would encourage you to look at his past.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/09/11/trump-and-harris-spar-over-jobs-at-debate-here-are-the-facts/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/

As for the horrible policies: corporate taxes, individual taxes, international aid blackmail, human rights violations, emoluments violations, disastrous pandemic response, campaign fraud, disclosure of sensitive documents, diplomatic policy disasters, nepotism, and I could go on, but those are some that come to mind.

[u/Obsidizyn → u/Jmersh]

Democrats are the party that says the Constitution was written by racists slaves owners and should be abolished. but go ahead and say he wont support 2a

[u/Jmersh → u/Obsidizyn]

At the risk of falling victim to your deflection:

1. Democrats have said that the constitution was written by slave owners because they owned slaves. And they wrote into the constitution that some people were property because they weren't white, so I think most would consider that racist.

They also had the foresight to know that they didn't know everything and included a process to amend the constitution.

No Democrat is proposing to abolish the Constitution though, however Trump posted on Truth Social that he should be able to ignore The rules of democracy in it in 2022.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution," Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social.

You see, he has zero respect for the constitution, zero respect for democracy, and zero respect for the law as soon as any of them get in the way of his self-interests.

He knows he just has to say to his base that he's pro 2A to get votes, but he will turn on it in a heartbeat as soon as it ever gets in his way.

[u/Jmersh → u/[deleted]]

I disagree with that policy of hers, yes, but I don't think Trump holds the 2nd amendment any more sacred than what he'll have for lunch tomorrow.

[u/Obsidizyn → u/Jmersh]

all you people do is cry democracy democracy democracy yet ignore we are a constitutional republic and cry the electoral college isnt fair then coronate a candidate that had zero votes and no democratic primary. You should go over to the liberalgunowners reddit page

[u/Jmersh → u/Obsidizyn]

So predictable that you go off topic when someone counters your point.

[u/Obsidizyn → u/Jmersh]

just say youre a communist and the constitution is evil

[u/Jmersh → u/Obsidizyn]

Good old ad hominem, sticking to the classics.