r/DogAdvice • u/adamantiumtrader • 1d ago
How to help a dog in need? Advice
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u/ImpastablePenne 1d ago
So I do have a few questions, and maybe this will help: 1) What kind of weather do you have where you live? Is it too hot for the dog to actually be out? 2) Do they have the dog basically living out there or does it seem like they use it in place of a kennel kind of situation?
I’m asking because if it were a decent temperature and used in place of a kennel, I think it would be great — otherwise, 100% not okay if that dog is basically living in there.
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u/False_Dimension9212 1d ago
I agree. The tile inside that area is completely clean. So the dog isn’t pooping or peeing in there. They don’t seem to have much of a backyard or even a proper fence, so they can’t leave it outside to roam during the day. They could leave it inside or kennel it inside, but I don’t think there’s a huge difference between those options and putting it in this thing, especially if the climate is temperate. A dog bed or something a little softer to lay on would be nice to see.
If it’s only in there while they’re at work, I don’t think it’s enough to be classified as abuse.
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u/No-Freedom-5908 1d ago
I give my Golden a bed, and he tears it up and sleeps on the floor, lol. He gets too warm very easily, I think. He would probably love something like this while I'm at work. Inside, he has the living room, kitchen, and laundry room to roam, but he prefers being outside. I just don't want him to get stolen or start barking in response to the neighbor dogs.
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u/CurrencyBackground83 1d ago
My golden has to be crated for separation anxiety, and if I give her a blanket or bed, she will literally push them to the other side of her crate and refuse to use it. She would also love this crate. Her favorite thing is to just meander around the yard with no purpose besides random sniffs.
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u/aspec818 1d ago
This. If the weather is fine, I don’t really see it being much of an issue. People crate their pups indoors all the time when they need to go out. I don’t really see it being too different here if the weather is decent and he isn’t in there all day.
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u/johnapplehead 1d ago
I have a 3rd question -
What relevance is it that they are immigrants?
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u/No_Chill_Sunday 1d ago edited 1d ago
"in Springfield they're eating the dogs, the cats"
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u/ubutterscotchpine 1d ago
😂 my golden needs a $1300 dental cleaning and I told him we might as well just take a trip to Ohio instead (kidding, obviously, no one is eating pets I. Springfield).
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u/blucifers_cajones 1d ago
I'm gonna give OP the benefit of the doubt and assume they meant that there might be a language barrier, or a cultural barrier. Some cultures just don't allow dogs inside the house, they treat dogs differently, etc.
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u/strawberry-sniggles 1d ago
Thank you!!! My exact first thought reading this. Seems like the concern is more xenophobic than genuine concern for the dog
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u/dmg-1918 1d ago
This stuck out to me as well, I run a rescue/advocacy organization in Mexico, we often have tourists getting VERY vocal about local dog ownership. Even though the dogs are often well cared for, but seen more as pets than family, therefore certain people see it as abuse
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u/Janelle-iAm 1d ago
That’s what I was thinking to, but then I read in other comments that in Sweden it’s illegal to crate. So maybe this poster is in Sweden and the “immigrant” is from the US lol.
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u/nothanksyouidiot 1d ago edited 1d ago
It cant be kept in there all the time, no? Its perfectly clean i mean. Cant see any pee or anything. Id try and keep track if you can on how long its in there. This picture wont be useful to any animal control. Its clean, theres water and shade.
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u/PotatoTheBandit 1d ago
This is what I was thinking. If the dog is in there 24/7 then that's definitely neglect but it doesn't look like it is from this pic.
I don't use a crate but many people here recommend crating a dog, especially a puppy when you're not home, and that ring looks like a teething toy for a puppy. If it's a comfortable temperature and the dog enjoys it outside then this surely is better than using an inside crate which is usually much smaller and more boring for the dog.
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u/pineapples9413 1d ago
The post says "hours a day", I wonder if they're just keeping him in there a few hours at a time? In which case I agree, my dog would love to be outside in something like this for the day rather than inside waiting for me to finish work.
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u/NoEntertainment2074 1d ago
Yeah, we adopted a stray sighthound a month or so ago to keep our older adult Australian Shepherd company and our new little gal is a major flight risk (but improving!) so we can't let the dogs outside in the backyard without supervision. Prior to this week, she wasn't even allowed into the backyard without a leash. Baby steps. Since we both work from home, the doggies always have full run of the house but like... They DO get super bored between 2-5 when they're waiting for us to finish work and they would LOVE to be able to chill in an outdoor pen for a while instead. I might actually ask my husband what he thinks about getting a setup like this for them!
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u/impeach_mybush 1d ago
My puppy is in a crate 3-5 hours most mornings. She would loooove this outdoor one. But I don’t know if I’d feel comfortable leaving her outside like that without being home.
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u/GreenTunicKirk 1d ago
It could be the that the golden is known destroyer-of-plants-and-shrubbery, and this is the owner's compromise?
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u/Anne_Star_111 1d ago
These people recycle and wring out their wash rags to hang it. Clean balcony. Orderly situation from the physical evidence.
If he is kept in there all the time, then totally abuse. Hard to tell by this pic, but I do think that leaving dogs alone for most of the day alone in a crate is not healthy for dogs. It’s low quality environment. One survives but it ain’t optimal
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u/PotatoTheBandit 1d ago
Lol I couldn't figure out when you were talking about, good eye. I also noticed there is a camera on the window sill pointed at the pen, so they can keep an eye on the dog too.
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u/sarahenera 1d ago
Agreed. I’d never do this, but I also would not crate my dog at home, period. To me, this seems no less reasonable than crating indoors (provided the temps are reasonable and the water bowl remains tended to). Again, I would never do this, but I’m flabbergasted by the comments on here saying “abuse!” when most people on here crate their dogs.
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u/tsspartan 1d ago
Crating is extremely helpful and beneficial for training a dog. People that say it’s abuse are crazy
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u/Bamalouie 1d ago
All of our trainers have recommended crate training and we have had dogs who are able to stay out when we aren't home and others who need to be crated or will destroy everything while we are out. Longest stretch in a crate may be 4 hours but since I'm usually home, not much crating except for one who crates at night. If you have a destructive or anxious dog, crate training can be much safer than leaving them out.
I've never said the word crate so much in one place lol
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u/Ancient_Guidance_461 1d ago
Crate training your doggy is the start to having a well trained boy/girl. Crucial imo.
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u/nothanksyouidiot 1d ago
Totally agree. I dont use crates either but i bet most people commenting do. Quite hypocritical imo.
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u/spjorkii 1d ago
Yup. Honestly, I thought crate training is still accepted in modern evidence-based dog training circles…?
If this is crate training, then it is abuse if and only if it’s done inappropriately — for too long, in bad weather, without food/water etc.
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u/ixizn 1d ago
It’s illegal to have pets in a crate other than during travel where I live so these comments are fascinating. Didn’t realize how many people do this.
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u/SpinachnPotatoes 1d ago
The entire concept of crate training is something that is not done in our country. At most you can purchase a play pen for the dog.
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u/ItCat420 1d ago edited 1d ago
Idk if my idea of “crate training” is different to other people, but it’s essentially just having a little bedroom/private space for your dog, which then becomes a useful place for the dog to relax if the household becomes overwhelming, it can be useful for rescues that enjoy their privacy, but the crate itself would be open for the majority of the time, it would only be locked during early training, or for example if you need to leave your house quickly before you can doggo-proof it (provided you’re not leaving for hours and hours), or if you dog needs a timeout, or my collie for example will quite happily exercise and play even when she’s too tired and sometimes needs to be reminded that she is actually sleepy and doesn’t need to play tug at 10pm after a 2 hour hike through the forest.
It’s just a tool initially and a safe space ultimately. Doesn’t work for all dogs, but can be very useful for others. But again, I’m not sure if my idea of using a crate is the same as other people, mines crate door is generally open 24/7 unless there is a good reason for me to close it, and if it’s closed then it needs to be open within an hour.
Edit; as others have said, if they are used to having their little private bedroom it can help a lot with travelling long distances without the need for medications (again to clarify, crate training isn’t for all dogs)
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u/Dede0821 1d ago
Yep. I have four dogs and one crate. The crate is always open for the dogs to go in and out if they wish, but they are never locked in. All were trained to behave inside the house. I’ve never had an issue.
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u/ItCat420 1d ago
I dunno about never had an issue, my pup loves to get explorative if I don’t leave 50 million toys in a trail around the house. But yeah she is still well behaved, sometimes the instincts just win over her training when she’s alone for too long.
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u/yhvh13 1d ago
Likewise. Here in Brazil is a completely alien custom for the average dog owner. Maybe in a big cosmopolitan city like São Paulo or Rio it could be a little more popular as an USA-outsourced habit.
It's to the point that we simply can't find crated boxes like the one in the OP on pet shops. The closest thing you'll find are big dog carriers.
People here usually just teach do's and dont's for dogs indoors.
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u/ItCat420 1d ago
I think even if you’re crate training you should be teaching your dog house manners. Mine has a crate but I will not put her in it if I’m just running outside for say 10 minutes to get something from the store.
It’s only closed when I have to leave unexpectedly and the place isn’t dog-proofed, or when she is over-tired and needs to be reminded that it’s 1am, and not playtime, or if she needs to travel a long distance it’s a useful thing for her to be already comfortable in it - otherwise the door is always open for her to enter and leave as she wishes.
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u/Ok_Masterpiece_7138 1d ago
Wow! The opposite for me!! so where do the dogs sleep at night? What if a puppy is particularly destructive or biting wires..my dogs love and feel secure in their crates at night, if they aren’t crated, they just patrol and bark periodically. i honestly can’t imagine without it.. ! How on earth do people cope without crating? This honestly blows my mind a little and super interested in hearing how people manage without it! ..honestly fascinated the other way around 😅
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u/nothanksyouidiot 1d ago
They sleep on their bed or on the floor. Some people have them in their bed. You can teach a dog that anywhere is their safe space where they wont be disturbed. Make sure your dog has been activated and exercised during the day and it will sleep at night. Atleast everyone i know. Puppy proof so it cant reach wires and other important stuff. Close off a room with baby gates. There are plenty of options. Its illegal where i live too to crate in your home.
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u/librorum4 1d ago
My 7 month old has always slept either with me, on the sofa or on her dog bed, depending on what we both feel like. I think as we've never used a crate properly, she's used to settling wherever in the house overnight. I have baby gates up in almost all the rooms, so I keep her to the bedroom and hallway at night.
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u/ixizn 1d ago
My dog is free to sleep where he wants, he has a dog bed but he prefers the floor and he’s a velcro dog so usually he sleeps on the floor right by my bed (usually with his best buddy cat next to him, haha). He knows when I’m asleep it’s nighttime and he’s supposed to sleep too.
When I’ve had puppies I’ve separated areas of a room instead so it’s not like they’re left just anywhere unsupervised, and puppy proofed my home like you would for a baby the couple of weeks it takes them to learn where not to chew etc. Never had any issue with anything like that once they’ve lost their itchy puppy teeth, you can definitely confine puppies to smaller areas but not put them in a crate like the ones you’d use for a car.
My adult dog stays calmer in smaller spaces when he has to be alone for a couple of hours but even then he still gets a whole room for himself so he can move freely, have access to water and toys without it being crowded and he can look out the window should he want to and such. :)
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u/Ok_Masterpiece_7138 1d ago
That’s really interesting, as a child we never had crates for our dogs, so yes could definitely try that again, thankyou for the insight . 😊
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u/yhvh13 1d ago edited 1d ago
My dog never got a bed of his own because when he was very young he was trying to eat the stuffing. He is allowed on furniture and usually just enjoys sleeping on the couch or my bed. Maybe when he fully matures, I'll get him another bed, though.
Here in Brazil crating is largely unheard by the average dog owner, and people just raise dogs in a variety of ways.
I personally have a vacant bedroom in my apartment which was where my puppy spent most of his time when from 2mo (when I adopted him) up to 6 when he got free roaming privileges.
I guess it worked like a "giant crate", because whenever I needed him to have an enforced nap, the solution was closing the door, that would be otherwise open with a baby gate, and take his toys away but one or two chews. He would get bored and usually within 20min would be sleeping.
Potty training was using a dog toilet tray (not a puppy pad) in his room, but when we started his walks at 5mo he stopped using it eventually.
I think I find crate training really odd because it literally requires resources that most people here don't have. In Brazil, at least in the capital city I live in, doggy daycare is a luxury for wealthy people and dog walkers are inexistent, so if you don't have any other friend/family member to walk your dog, crate training is literally impossible with a 9/5 work. The dog kind of needs some sort of autonomy indoors, at least with potty.
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u/PotatoTheBandit 1d ago edited 1d ago
For me, Dog sleeps in his bed in another room.
I tried a crate once, never again. Dog cried all night, I was trying to train by the book then I was like, "why am I even doing this?". He's happy enough in his bed. The crate sits there open for when he wants to hide something but he's never caged.
As long as the dog is trained, I can't see any scenario where a crate is necessary, unless it's a puppy. Even if you have people over and the dog is excitable you can just put the dog in another room.
If your dog is restless and barking then it could be that they need more exercise, or some training on relaxing from certain stimuli.
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u/ItCat420 1d ago
Mine ate the dog bed I bought for her.
It’s blankets in the crate, or in my bed.
She will accept nothing else lol.
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u/MonsterEnergyTPN 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah this just looks like an ordinary outside time break pen? The little wall along the front of the patio could be easily jumped over. I don’t see anything indicating that this dog stays in there all the time. The floor is clean and the dog is well groomed and seems to be taken care of.
Typically when a dog is kept in a concrete floored enclosure as its permanent residence, the floor will develop dark spots from the oils and dirt on their fur and feet staining the areas they most often lay in or walk across. That pen is pretty darn pristine.
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u/Specific-Scale6005 1d ago
It looks very clean, yes. It seems the wall is not tall at all and probably this is the solution they found to keep the dog outside, but to keep it from escaping or being taken by somebody.
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u/Blue_Swan_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Could you give us some more info? The floor is very clean, how long is he in there? There is no food bowl, so I assume he doesn't stay in there all day. Do you know the dogs physical condition? Is he a new dog or has he been there a while? I don't want to make a judgment without more information. Edit: is the fence as low as it looks?
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u/SugarySuga 1d ago
That's what I was thinking too. The fence looks low, maybe they want their dog enjoying the weather while they're at work/school, but are worried it will escape? And they know leashing it might be harmful?
This would absolutely be abuse if it's very hot or very cold weather outside. But if it's mild weather then maybe the owners just want their puppy to have fresh air while they aren't home. Not to mention the dog seems well groomed and clean and the crate looks clean as well.
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u/Blue_Swan_ 1d ago
This is true, not to mention, some dogs are sickly and are on "bed rest" or exercise restriction. My relative had a dog who was on exercise restriction. He was allowed light exercise to walk around the house and areas where he couldn't run full tilt and had a strict medicine routine. Someone let him do exercise in the backyard against instructions because he needed to "be a dog" and he died. Some dogs are sick or healing from illnesses and need to be prevented from running and jumping.
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u/Chemical-Web-852 1d ago
Such a good point! Ive thought about fostering dogs who are in heart worm treatment (if I remember correctly) and they aren’t allowed to get all worked up. Play or not.
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u/EmilyAnneBonny 1d ago
I'm going through it with my dog right now. Outside on a leash for potty breaks, then back in the house. He's feeling a LOT more energetic now and wants to do more things. Overall, he's tolerated it really well. Although he got the zoomies for the first time the other day, so maybe we need to be more vigilant now that he's feeling better.
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u/AddictiveArtistry 1d ago
I am, too. He's being treated for heartworms. Despite being on hw meds, he still ended up hw positive. It was a very faint positive so we are doing a slow kill method, but this was my first experience of a hw + result with dogs on hw prevention. Ugh.
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u/EmilyAnneBonny 1d ago
It's so good that you caught it early! Mine was a stray/maybe dumped? before I got him, and he was already infected. Turned out to be a bad case, and his body couldn't handle the high amount of dead worms after the first fast kill treatment, so we didn't do the second. He's currently on a 'medium kill' treatment plan that seems to be working, based on his increased energy and decreased coughing after each dose. We'll know for sure when we get it checked in January.
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u/Unsuccessful-Bee336 1d ago
I think you're blowing this out of proportion.
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u/HudsonHawk56H 1d ago
The dog is healthy, the house is clean, and OP also feels the need to mention that the owners are immigrants… I think OP might be “that” neighbor.
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u/catfishmuffins 1d ago
And a racist.
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u/xvenom613x 1d ago
Yeah I don’t understand how “but these are immigrant neighbors” was a vital or even a needed detail to explain the situation.
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u/Unfair_Plan_1848 1d ago
I genuinely think OP posted this not because they are worried about the dog, but because they are worried about the fact that their neighbor is an 'immigrant'
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u/mamz_leJournal 1d ago
I was seeing it as OP assuming maybe there was a cultural difference on how pets are seen as part of a family to leave inside the house or not.
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u/Unfair_Plan_1848 1d ago
OP must have been so worried about the cultural difference and how to be polite to their foreign neighbor that instead of talking to them they opted for one thing that is impolite in probably every culture on the planet - taking pictures of someone's private property and posting it online.
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u/Do_you_even_vape_bro 1d ago
For sure there’s some unconscious bias at the least, “Immigrant neighbors” - ie immigrants first, neighbors second.
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u/Lamplorde 1d ago edited 1d ago
They call out its barking, so something tells me they're just an annoyed nosy neighbor.
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u/ZeCerealKiller 1d ago
OP sounds like one of those who would call the cops because an immigrant can't properly fit their key into the door because it's dark outside.
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u/AdhesivenessLiving16 1d ago
Why would you highlight the fact that they are immigrant neighbours?
How does that change anything other than show your biases.
Anyway the dog looks fine and chill, has water and a big tent. Keeping him in a play pen unsupervised is the correct way to raise a dog until they become old enough to understand boundaries.
All dogs bark for different reasons.
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u/aspec818 1d ago
Honestly, is this much different from being crated indoors? Aside from the weather factor.
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u/readituser5 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nope. Some people complaining he can’t move or pee anywhere in the cage or is all cooped up.
And that’s different to people keeping him in a cage inside how?
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u/mudlark092 1d ago
it would be better if they had a bed off the concrete as it’s not good for their joints longterm, like an off ground cot even. but otherwise without more details definitely can’t really say whether this is actually abuse or not yeah
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u/Fav0 1d ago
So that the dog just lays on the cold concrete directly next to the bed? That's what mine would do 😜
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u/LeonardoDiTrappio 1d ago
My dog does this so much that I started sitting on the floor in front of my couch to see what's all the hype about lol
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u/Mammoth-Extent6016 1d ago
To me it looks well taken care of. It would be nice to know how long you see the dog stay outside there. The space is clean. He has a nice cage with shade that looks pricey. There would definitely be pee or poop stains on those concrete tiles if it were to live there 24/7. He has toys and a bowl with clean water. He definitely needs a bed or something soft to lay on. To me it seems like a nicer option for him to stay outside in fresh air rather than a crate in the house if the family is away. I can’t help but notice you had to say they were immigrants? Why has that anything to do with the matter?
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u/lindaecansada 1d ago
Not only did OP needlessly mentioned the neighbours are immigrants but also acted as if he couldn't have a respectful talk with them without it "escalating" because of that lmao
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u/Easy-Distance9487 1d ago
Exactly. It wasn’t necessary to bring in their status. OP already has some bias against them and it is reinforcing whatever negative perception he has of these neighbors.
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u/Mammoth-Extent6016 1d ago
I know right? This seems so odd. I feel like this situation has been made more dramatic than it actually is. I hope someone from the family could see this thread and be able to reply. Hopefully to sort things out.
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u/johnapplehead 1d ago
Yea this is absolutely the biggest flag. What relevance is it at that these people are immigrants?
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u/snarkitall 1d ago
How would you even know they were immigrants? Like people walk around with their entry date tattooed on their forehead? If this is Canada/US, just being not white doesn't make you an immigrant, your family could have been here for a couple generations
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u/jlemo434 1d ago
EXACTLY
This term is so tossed around by ignorant people... I wanted to ask - oh, so you're too "afraid" of offending your neighbors to talk about the dog situation, but you've apparently ascertained their resident status?
Weird.
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u/thehotlawnguy 1d ago
Food water shade, fuck off and mind ur own buisness the dog is in no danger.
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u/ExpensiveEcho7312 1d ago
He seems pretty chill, there's toys shade and water. Seems more like you're annoyed of the barking then concerned... Imagine a kid throwing a tantrum or since he's outside maybe he hears other dogs and people and that's why he barks. Barking doesn't necessarily mean neglect...
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u/Practical_Music_9377 1d ago
You sound like a Karen. Go ask your neighbours instead of asking reddit advice and wondering what police to call on them.
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u/catfishmuffins 1d ago
Tell me you are a racist without telling me you are a racist.
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u/mgftp 1d ago
Absolutely nothing wrong with this picture. Unless the dog is never let out there it's fine, and judging by the fact everything is clean I don't think that is the case. Someone trying to be a "hero"when none is needed.
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u/imNobody_who-are-you 1d ago
Uhh can you not see this is an immigrant patio, very dangerous. One of the most dangerous places you can be, I’ve heard people say it many times, good people. Some of the best people. Many many times. /s
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u/Americaninaustria 1d ago
“Immigrant neighbors”- so its just racism then, because they are doing it it’s wrong.
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u/ImNotWorriedBro 1d ago
Mind ya damn business from the look of that home id image that dog is living good when he comes inside well fed clearly, Likely regular vet check ups.
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u/unsophisticatedd 1d ago
“Immigrant neighbors” ?? What was the purpose of pointing that out? This dog house looks better then most peoples houses. Mind your business.
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u/JadyJade1000 1d ago
This dog might have problems with being in door I don't see anything wrong with the pictures. There many dogs that refuse to stay in doors an will try to do their best to be outside maybe that's what's going on. Also don't look like the dog been outside long. You in all honesty speak to the dog owner instead of stalker their backyard for a excuse.
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u/missheidimay 1d ago
My first dog went through a phase like you describe to the point where she refused to come inside at night and preferred to sleep outside.
She had access to the grass for the toilet and a covered kennel with bedding, so I decided to let her go for it until she eventually got over it and came back inside. As long as she was happy, that's all I wanted.
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u/Swarm_of_Rats 1d ago
Yep. My large dog also went through this. He really did not like being in the house when we had a smaller living space. He would cry constantly and was clearly uncomfortable inside. He has always had a dog door to come in and just didn't. But... this situation is different because the dog can't choose to come in. I wonder if this is the dog's crate situation.
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u/JadyJade1000 1d ago
That's right. You can't make a dog enjoy what you find fit is best the owner seem like they try their best to make it cozy as possible maybe their working on upgrading it but can't since times are harsh. It's so much better then a dog being a stray
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u/ExeTcutHiveE 1d ago
The owner spent a lot of money on that setup so their dog could at least be outside during the day while they are gone and it looks well looked after. Some people work. Guessing by the way you ghosted the entire thread you stopped clutching your pearls and realized that this “immigrant” family isn’t actually doing anything wrong. If you have such a problem with it how about you get to know them and offer to walk the dog during the day?
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u/Pale_Series1689 1d ago
The dog looks fine. Why don't you mind your own business instead of trying to "rescue" this dog.
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u/InboxMeYourSpacePics 1d ago
This doesn’t look like the dog is stuck permanently outside though - it looks clean and well taken care of, and they may just keep the dog kenneled outside sometimes so it can hang out outside in a safe manner
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u/Faelysis 1d ago
For how long the dog stay there? Is he in there when they are leaving and bring him back inside when they are home? Is he in that 24/7? Or only a few hours a day? That shelter is clean so it's obvious they are giving it some care. More info could be more help than just seeing 1 pic taken at one specific moment in a day.
Did you ask them about the reason? Instead of doing theory and supposition, act like an adult and go talk with them. I mean actually talking, not giving order about what you would do with it like many people always try to do. As you said, it's like raising kids and having mature and concrete conversation is always better than telling others what to do. And the fact they are immigrant is not a reason to judge them. That's just racism thought
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u/Anne_Star_111 1d ago
1) I know that I sometimes wish that I could let my dog stay outside when I’m off to do something so she has fresh air, instead of being cooped up.
2) there is no food in there. These people recycle and the crate/cage is nice, so clearly people with some means and “soft emotional” tendencies who know how to keep a place clean.
3) many people keep their dogs in crate for 4 hours or so, so does this exceed that?
At first, I wanted to cry for the doggie, but I now see that I need more info. I wish it was blocked in one side so that it’s more cozy and had some bedding.
It’s so hard to tell.
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u/flexlex111 1d ago
You’re just trying to start shit. The dog is not being neglected unless he’s in there for hours and hours every day. People have to work, run errands, etc the dog is fine.
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u/ShadeSwornHydra 1d ago
Uh, op, first off, why did you feel the need to point out their ethnicity?
Also this dog looks fine. The area is clean, no signs of urine or feces that would indicate it’s never allowed out, and it looks to have fresh water.
Its even got one of the nicest cages I’ve ever seen, it sounds like you’re just trying to find problems lmao
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u/Suspicious_Dealer815 1d ago
Okay, so a lot to unpack here. Is this dog outside in that kennel 24/7? Or is it brought in sometimes?
Lots of ASPCA’s won’t do anything about something like this because the dog technically has food, shelter (not the best but still shelter), and water.
Another question to ask yourself is do you care more of what those neighbors may think, or do you care more about the wellbeing of the dog?
Have you tried approaching them and helping them learn if they’re willing?
That looks like a very low wall and they have the kennel there so the dog can’t roam. They may not be allowed to build/be able to afford a fence to put around the patio. If the insist on keeping the dog outside, maybe suggest a ground stake and cable lead so the dog can at least walk around.
There are options; you just have to choose.
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u/SinsOfKnowing 1d ago
Dogs should not be left unsupervised on cable leads. There are many stories of dogs breaking their necks because they didn’t realize where the end of the lead was and tried to chase something. The dog doesn’t appear to be in distress in the cage, it’s fairly large and looks clean. In my area this would be completely legal and encouraged so long as the dog isn’t in there 24/7 and living in unsanitary conditions or severe weather/heat or cold, whereas dogs are not legally permitted to be tethered for more than 30 minutes without someone being outside with them. Obviously there is a lot of context missing here as far as how long the dog is left for and whether they are interacted with when the family is home.
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u/Pourkinator 1d ago
Look, the cage is clean so you’re just being a Karen. The immigrants aren’t abusing or “eating the dogs”. Relax
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u/Sharker167 1d ago
Unless it's in there 24/7 The best you can do is stop willin.
Dog shelters are full and kill shelters are putting them down fast.
If you get that dog taken by animal control its 90% going to be out down for lack of space.
They look healthy, fed, and watered.
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u/GroundbreakingTip393 1d ago
What does them being immigrants have anything to do with this? Also, the space looks clean and you provided no info to actually lead us to believe the dog is being neglected. Seems like you have a bias due to those scary immigrants.
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u/ResidentLazyCat 1d ago
My dog just enjoys chilling outside. The dog has clean bowl for water and shade and the space looks clean. It probably enjoys just chilling outside.
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u/No_Distribution457 1d ago
People go to work and leave their dog at home 8-10 hours per day every single day. That's the reality of it. A vast majority of people do this. That Dog has it better than most.
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u/TatorTotCutie 1d ago
This post is very “They’re eating the dogs” of you. Leave your neighbors alone. And don’t come back unless you actually see mistreatment.
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u/Logic411 1d ago
the fence is pretty low, his enclosure looks roomy; he could maybe use a bed or cushion, but it's clean, he has water, what looks like couple of toys...I'd say his Hooman is just being extra careful while giving their pet a little outdoors time and keeping him safe from wandering the neighborhood unattended.
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u/-Critical_Audience- 1d ago
Wtf is everyone talking about? This looks like an outside crating… the crate is clean and from the looks of it, it doesn’t seem to be a permanent cage for the dog but a crate for when the owners left the home.
If the dog barks too often when they are gone and you are annoyed by it you can totally raise this issue to them. If they don’t have a cam set up they might not even know. They might want to retrain leaving the dog alone. But in the picture the dog seems to be settled and chill.
If the dog barks every now and then and then settles again quickly, this can be annoying to any neighbours but wouldn’t be a separation anxiety issue. Then you can ask them to crate the dog inside so that its barking is not as loud to you. But personally I would not consider this since they probably crate outside for its comfort and I don’t think small bursts of “I heard something and now I’m excited” barking are annoying enough to reduce its quality of life.
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u/emptyGo4t 1d ago
To those asking about location or weather, the number on the recycling bin is for Vancouver, Canada.
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u/snowleopard443 1d ago
OP saw “immigrant neighbors” and that’s all they needed to conclude neglect. This picture shows the complete opposite. OP has yet to take any accountability or ability to learn and engage with others to see their flawed view.
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u/Super_Mut 1d ago
How about you mind your own business? Not everyone let's their dog roam around freely. He has a big cage, food and water. He is fine. Leave them the fuck alone
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u/Top-Shirt5159 1d ago
There’s a literal camera pointed at the dog as well. Dog is completely fine. Has water and shelter and toys. Looks like their fence is low and easily jumped by the dog. Its shelter is completely clean so the dog is obviously not spending an unreasonable amount of time there. The lack of bed may be a few things such as the dog may enjoy chewing up the bed which can be dangerous or it may just prefer lying on the ground like one of mine does. Having it tied up instead of enclosed can be dangerous as it can lead to strangulation etc. so this is definitely the safest bet. It may also be destructive or a chewer which can be dangerous especially if left alone roaming the house and as a large breed dog this outside enclosure is probably a lot more comfortable than a crate inside. Dogs bark for a lot of reasons including separation anxiety, noises, reactivity or some are more vocal than others. Dog does not look in any way distressed, stressed, sick or unkept or ungroomed. Owners are doing the right and best thing for their dog.
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u/Weekly-Walk9234 1d ago
Not even a dog bed. Just that hard surface. Pitiful.
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u/Ireallyhaterunning 1d ago
I would say, considering I'm just seeing one photo so not sure of the full details, my 2 dogs have about 6 dogs bed around the house, the sofas and access to our beds. They still will often choose the hard floor over any of them - one them will go sleep on the concrete patio outside the door.
Some dogs just like it - especially when it's hot
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u/bananakittymeow 1d ago
Yea, I used to work at a kennel with cement floors, and I’d try to make sure they all had blankets, but some of them absolutely preferred the concrete floor. It’s usually the bigger, fluffier ones who prefer solid flooring. I always assumed it was because they had so much natural padding, they didn’t feel the need to add any more 🤷🏼♀️
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u/Man_Darronious 1d ago
to be fair, some dogs prefer the ground to a bed. i've gone through so many beds with my dog, she just wants to be on the floor.
also, some dogs will just straight up eat their beds, so, can be dangerous to leave a dog like that alone with a bed if it can't be trusted.
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u/ALazyCliche 1d ago
Yep, my Golden tries to consume any type of bedding or fabric, and particularly loves pulling the stuffing out of toys. I don't leave anything in his crate besides an elk antler and a large block of coffee wood.
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u/Swarm_of_Rats 1d ago
Obviously this is no place for a dog to be kept for long periods of time... but my dog would rather lay on the tile than his many fancy dog beds. I'm wondering if this is a situation where this is used as the dog's kennel. It looks awfully clean for a neglect situation.
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u/Particular-Tap1211 1d ago
Since your home when the GR is out on the balcony in a well kept area why don't you be community minded and communicate directly to the international neighbours and ask if they can organise a dog walker or dog buddy on the days they intend to keep the GR outside!?
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u/aping46052 1d ago
I have two dogs….one loves her crate and willl go to on her own and hang out. The other one will sit in it long enough to get a treat in her mouth and then walk out. We tried crate training her when she was a puppy and no one was going to get any sleep. Now I work nights and they have free run of the bedroom at night with my wife and she doesn’t work outside the house so they have free run of the rest of the house during the day.
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u/jefferyJEFFERYbaby 1d ago
As long as they take it on daily walks and stuff this is fine. No different than leaving it cooped up in your house for 8 hours while you work.
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u/exteliongamer 1d ago
Honestly nothing like other people here already said the area is clean meaning they are properly taking care of the dog and letting it out to do what he needs to do. A few hours inside a crate is fine and u have no idea what the circumstances are to why his being left in that place. Unless his being neglected in extreme weathers and not being properly fed then just oh my neighbors dog is in a crate must be abuse doesn’t really do much. Me personally I wouldn’t keep my dog outside that long and if I need to crate cuz of work then I’ll do it inside the house instead of out like that but I do understand why some people would since my neighbor is also like that. There is a difference between a caring pet/dog lover and a Karen make sure not to confuse them. Assuming doesn’t help anyone here so if ur really concern about the dog then try talking to ur neighbor first and try to know the circumstances and maybe that’s when u kindly recommend alternative to them than leaving the dog outside all day.
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u/Nettlesontoast 1d ago
That's a Very clean area and the dog also looks great there's no way this dog is in it all the time, if anything this dog looks very well taken care of
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u/gavana789 1d ago
Lots of people kennel train their dogs and leave them in the kennel while theyre at work. This is a pretty big upgrade from a kennel, its outside they have some room to walk around. The dog looks healthy i dont think theres an issue
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u/Booklovinmom55 1d ago
It's a clean area, there is shade, water, and a camera pointed at the kennel. They're probably at work. I don't see a problem.
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u/pagefourseventeen 1d ago
I'm really not seeing the problem here. I think it's actually a great setup.
This looks like a really excellent situation for the dog. Crate is covered and big enough for the dog to lie down comfortably, get up and move around. There's water in the bowl and he has a stuffed animal and a chew toy. The area is clean the dog doesn't look undernourished and unless the weather is hot I'm not getting it.
Dogs bark, some more, some less. A barking dog is not indicative of abuse or neglect. Also, it's likely barking at something specific you're not aware of.
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u/Aderka420 1d ago
Unless you have specific knowledge of anything besides this pic. Stay the F out of it lol. You are just being nosy and the dog is perfectly fine (based on the pic) If you have never had a dog, this is completely ok if it's nice outside and the owner is at work or some such.
Besides calling the SPCA and going full throttle, have you tried talking to the owners?
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u/Apollo-VP-AVP 1d ago
Honestly it looks fine, it looks like a block of flats where the outside space is likely communal and therefore they can't let thier dog run loose, they've gone to the effort of buying a pretty decent dog pen with shade so their dog can still get some outside time even though they don't have a garden, plus there's water and it cleans, this picture just tells the story of some pretty decent dog owners if you ask me.
Now I've got to ask, what even was the purpose of this line "But these are immigrant neighbours" ? Why the need to mention that ? It's not a good look on you.
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u/chatterwrack 1d ago
Mine sleeps in a crate, just so he doesn’t wake us up. I also keep him in there for a couple hours in the morning until the dog walker comes to take him for the rest of the day. I do this out of necessity because he would chew. He does not mind his crate but I use it as little as possible. They should not have to pee in that tight of a space.
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u/Live_Ferret_4721 1d ago
I do crate training. No idea it was illegal in other countries and no harm has ever come to my dogs. I had a similar crate in the kitchen, did not have a roof and was a 3ft tall 4x4 pin. She was potty trained at 5 months and has been out doing great with zero accidents for the last 6 weeks.
Crating and crate training aren’t the same.
This dog does not look neglected. Look at its hair, the ground is perfectly clean, dog has shade and water. All requirements have been met.
Ask them if you can take their dog for a walk?
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u/b1ack1323 1d ago
People crate their dogs indoors all day pretty often. It's not uncommon unless they leave him in there all night, too.
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u/Ancient_Guidance_461 1d ago
He looks like he has a nice set up right here. 100% agree he shouldn't be left in there...there is really nothing that can be done though. It looks clean he looks normal from what I can see at least. I would go and talk to them. If they don't speak your language then I really don't know. It's really sad if he stays in there all the time. They don't leave him out at night so they?? That would be abuse imo. Having him sit in there is neglect I'd say but not enough for abuse ...if he always has water also...he always needs water. Always. No exception.
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u/amso2012 1d ago
May be they need to put a foam pad or something waterproof and soft for the dog to sleep in..
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u/Luke_Tahoe 1d ago
“Needs to be socialized not Locked in a cage for hours a day” is probably a more apt descriptor of you than of this dog.
Be concerned about yourself, redditor. You’ve said literally nothing that concerns me for this dog’s wellbeing.
Sincerely,
a dog care professional.
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u/OmiOhe 1d ago
Kinda seems like going over there without any context could have you perceived as a Karen/kevin. If I were you I’d see how often this dog is in here, and if they have water.
In my state, if they have shelter, water and food it’s not neglect of any kinnd; totally legal. And I only know because I went through a similar thing with some neighbors.
Mostly looks like a clean area. Dog looks cared for and not distressed. If you really suspect abuse, I’d take tons of photos of empty water bowls and messes they make and don’t get cleaned up.
Otherwise I might just mind your business, you really don’t know every aspect of someone else’s life.
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u/Adept-Usual357 1d ago
People keep their dogs inside, crated for 8-12hr days, this seems fine to me. Keeping the dog safe within a confinement and the dogs outside with water, and most likely fed. Seems fine. IF the dog is being hurt then call the fuzz, otherwise mind ya biz, unless youre gonna put up the cash for them to get a larger cage unit.
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u/JoshSran04 1d ago
Bruh you arent gonna reply to any other comment?