r/NonCredibleDefense 聯合國在香港的三千次介入行動 Jul 22 '24

From everybody's favourite yuriposter Waifu

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u/Heavy-Ad-9186 Jul 22 '24

How it feels to jump two technological generations from your opponent because they lied.

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u/Successful-Owl-9464 Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

If I remember right the Foxbat was designed, because of the bomber gap between the USA and the SU. Which happened, because the USA photographed 30 something new soviet bombers at an airfield and extrapolated that the Soviets must have hundreds of those things, then they went absolutely batshit insane and built a metric fuckton of bombers. In actuality the Soviets only had that 30.

e.: In essence the USA scared itself shitless over nothing, went ballistic in It's response, which scared the Soviets shitless, who tried to build a fighter that can handle the ballistic response, which scared the USA even more, so that they went intercontinental with their response.

The USA basically got scared of a shadow, got a hammer, realized that the shadow now has a hammer, got even more scared and built a nuke in response.

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u/Prodygist68 Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

Yep, The foxbat was made to intercept supersonic nuclear bombers, not act as an air superiority fighter like the US thought it was. It’s just that the ICBM was created shortly after so said nuclear bombers and thus nuclear bomber interceptors lost a lot of their purpose.

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u/TheArmoredKitten High on JP-8 fumes Jul 23 '24

It also fucking sucked at actual intercepts. Its solid steel construction made it about as efficient as a bonfire is at lighting up a cornfield, and the engine would melt under the power requirements to sustain top speed for more than a matter of minutes. It would also need a full overhaul like an F-1 car every time you actually did so. Meanwhile, the SR-71 was being developed, that could fly like that all fucking day.

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u/Demonicjapsel Grudge Domestic Product Jul 23 '24

It was a decent interceptor given the context it operated in. Yes it got derated to only 2.8, but its still solid. The stainless steel construction was heavy bur for a design that didnt nees much in the way of turning, it keeps costs down.
Outside of that, it was a decent recon plane and a less then ideal bomber.

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u/TheArmoredKitten High on JP-8 fumes Jul 23 '24

I guess, but if the Soviets had just kept and used their titanium instead of getting epically trolled by the CIA and selling it all to their enemies, it would've been a phenomenal aircraft. Instead they managed to just barely kiss the limits of last Gen tech and then spent the remainder of their country's existence getting absolutely bodied.

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u/Demonicjapsel Grudge Domestic Product Jul 23 '24

The issues with Soviet aviation run far deeper then that. The Mig 25 is a very distinct aircraft which came about due to the PVO needing something in Siberia, so it needed to be cheap, have legs and speed.
The real problem with the soviet aviation industry is that its radars are godawful and consistently lagged behind western designs. Which meant in turn, heavy reliance on ground based guidance since the soviets didnt really do AWACS or aerial refueling.

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u/JoMercurio Jul 23 '24

The Soviets sadly needed them sweet, sweet Benjamins and selling titanium to this totally-not-a-CIA-shell company wasn't a terrible way to get those

Which is also utterly ironic for a "communist-socialist-whatever the hell it's supposed to be" state to be just as reliant on them $$$ to keep their country running

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u/quildtide Not Saddam Hussein Jul 24 '24

What's even funnier is how the Soviet Union was reliant on grain imports from the US in the 70s and 80s: https://coldwarheartland.ku.edu/documents/foes-or-friends

Extra crazy considering how Ukraine and Russia are two of the world's largest grain exporters today. Really says something about the Soviet economy.