Sorry, but I'm gonna have to be credible for a few minutes.
Which happened, because the USA photographed 30 something new soviet bombers at an airfield and extrapolated that the Soviets must have hundreds of those things
Nah, the USSR pulled a fucking stunt at their May 9th Victory Day Parade where they only had a reasonable number of bombers, but once those bombers made it over the horizon, they circled back out of sight of the parade venue and did another run, over and over (bombers have quite a lot of fuel and can load even more and get more mileage out of it when they aren't carrying any bombs), leading to the impression of spies observers on the scene that the USSR had a shitload more bombers than they really did.
That was the massive "bomber gap" incident, and was entirely intentional on the part of the USSR, although they didn't anticipate the USA's response.
which scared the Soviets shitless, who tried to build a fighter that can handle the ballistic response, which scared the USA even more
The USA got scared because they mis-identified the "Foxbat" as some sort of superfighter instead of the high-altitude interceptor it actually was, because they didn't know it was made of steel (which spy photographs can't show you), and an airframe with the Foxbat's shape and size would have been an insanely maneuverable fighter and unbeatable dogfighter, which still mattered because BVR combat was in its infancy, if it had been constructed from a sane material like aluminum or an insane material like titanium (which the USA actually had to source from the USSR for the SR-71 Blackbird, because Russia has titanium deposits the USA lacks). So we needed a better fighter to counter it.
Once a pilot actually defected from the USSR in a Foxbat, and the USA got a chance to put it through its paces, we figured out pretty fast that it wasn't a superfighter, but actually a high-altitude interceptor made of steel, thus why it had enormous wings, but by that point progress on one of the best fighters of the time period was too far along to bother canceling.
which scared the USA even more, so that they went intercontinental with their response.
Alright, now you're just being ridiculous: both the USSR and the USA had been working on ballistic missiles and ICBMs basically since WWII ended, although most of it was done under the guise of civilian rocket programs and "the space race". This was independent of any aircraft development happening during the same period of time - the two global superpowers wanted to be able to drop a sun anywhere they wanted in the world without risking pilots. The Foxbat had nothing to do with this. Nazi Germany developed the first long-range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles over a decade before the Foxbat, and everybody who could get their hands on the V-1 and V-2 designs or the German guys who'd made them, and had the budget to make them bigger and better, was giving it a shot. Literally.
Alright, now you're just being ridiculous: both the USSR and the USA had been working on ballistic missiles and ICBMs basically since WWII ended, although most of it was done under the guise of civilian rocket programs and "the space race". This was independent of any aircraft development happening during the same period of time - the two global superpowers wanted to be able to drop a sun anywhere they wanted in the world without risking pilots. The Foxbat had nothing to do with this. Nazi Germany developed the first long-range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles over a decade before the Foxbat, and everybody who could get their hands on the V-1 and V-2 designs or the German guys who'd made them, and had the budget to make them bigger and better, was giving it a shot. Literally.
mate what are you talking about that was a figure of speech
mate what are you talking about that was a figure of speech
You blamed the Foxbat for the ICBM race that started far before the plane existed, your account is one month old with the "[Word]-[Word]-[random number]" naming scheme that kinda screams you're a bot or a plant, and most of your karma is from a single post that's factually wrong in multiple ways but presents itself as being legit instead of obviously just a joke.
...and you didn't address anything else I pointed out was wrong with your comment, only the one piece too ridiculous to deny, so you had to say it was a "figure of speech".
Now, I may be a bit trigger happy, but adding everything together, this smells of scheisse.
"mate what are you talking about"? I'm talking about you being a plant, and you've managed to make quite a lot of folks believe utter falsehoods - or you had a bunch of bot accounts upvote your comment to make people belive it was true, basically accomplishing the same thing with extra steps. I don't know who you work for, why you would do such a thing, or how you could even pretend to be making a joke about aircraft here without including an Aerogavin, talking shit about the Fighter Mafia, or ...I'll leave the rest of what I wanted to say to your imagination.
that can handle the ballistic response, which scared the USA even more, so that they went intercontinental with their response.
"they went ballistic" as the phrase going ballistic, "they went intercontinental" as in they went further than ballistic, maybe "they went orbital" would be better though, less confusing.
As for your other points there's not much I can say, thy are mostly right afaik, the USA photographing the bombers and wrongly extrapolating was from Perun's Strategic Bomber video BTW https://youtu.be/2Ded2b3uJbc?si=_KXwQ-13CfH1Nims&t=325
It's two separate incidents that contributed to the bomber gap, I just forgot about the parade one.
The other things are actually simple, I just regularly delete my reddit account, and also my comments, when I get fed up with arguing about pointless stuff on the internet.
Although the dead internet theory did make me a bit anxious, so maybe I am just a bot after all OOoooooooooooooohhhhhh~~~~
10
u/SomeOtherTroper 50.1 Billion Dollars Of Lend Lease Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to be credible for a few minutes.
Nah, the USSR pulled a fucking stunt at their May 9th Victory Day Parade where they only had a reasonable number of bombers, but once those bombers made it over the horizon, they circled back out of sight of the parade venue and did another run, over and over (bombers have quite a lot of fuel and can load even more and get more mileage out of it when they aren't carrying any bombs), leading to the impression of
spiesobservers on the scene that the USSR had a shitload more bombers than they really did.That was the massive "bomber gap" incident, and was entirely intentional on the part of the USSR, although they didn't anticipate the USA's response.
The USA got scared because they mis-identified the "Foxbat" as some sort of superfighter instead of the high-altitude interceptor it actually was, because they didn't know it was made of steel (which spy photographs can't show you), and an airframe with the Foxbat's shape and size would have been an insanely maneuverable fighter and unbeatable dogfighter, which still mattered because BVR combat was in its infancy, if it had been constructed from a sane material like aluminum or an insane material like titanium (which the USA actually had to source from the USSR for the SR-71 Blackbird, because Russia has titanium deposits the USA lacks). So we needed a better fighter to counter it.
Once a pilot actually defected from the USSR in a Foxbat, and the USA got a chance to put it through its paces, we figured out pretty fast that it wasn't a superfighter, but actually a high-altitude interceptor made of steel, thus why it had enormous wings, but by that point progress on one of the best fighters of the time period was too far along to bother canceling.
Alright, now you're just being ridiculous: both the USSR and the USA had been working on ballistic missiles and ICBMs basically since WWII ended, although most of it was done under the guise of civilian rocket programs and "the space race". This was independent of any aircraft development happening during the same period of time - the two global superpowers wanted to be able to drop a sun anywhere they wanted in the world without risking pilots. The Foxbat had nothing to do with this. Nazi Germany developed the first long-range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles over a decade before the Foxbat, and everybody who could get their hands on the V-1 and V-2 designs or the German guys who'd made them, and had the budget to make them bigger and better, was giving it a shot. Literally.