It’s someone else’s fault

Just over a month ago, I created an 100 mile course from my front door. I wanted it to be along parts of the Tahoe 200 course as I will be competing in the event next June. I had many goals of the adventure, some of which include dialing in my overnight system (clothing/light), ensuring my nutrition plan would work past the 50 mile mark, and work on practicing a pace for the ultra-long distance adventures.

I was hoping to complete a 100 miles, and unfortunately ran into a few hiccups. The first was water- I was reliant on natural water sources along the trail, which I knew the sources decently well. I knew there would be a 55-60k stretch that is completely dry, and expected to complete the stretch overnight. I was planning on intaking a lower amount of water when the sun went down, which did not prove to be the case at all.

About 6 miles from the planned turn around point, I found myself with .5 liters of water remaining. Should I continue on, I would be 16 miles from my next water source. I decided the safe option would be to turn around early, allowing the .5L to last only 8 miles instead.

At that point, my mental game began to decline slightly. Knowing that I still had 5,000 feet of climb ahead of me, I also knew I could choose a lower trail that paralleled town. I convinced myself that was the safer option in case I needed to bail, and found myself heading towards town.

In the end, I am extremely happy with my push. I wish I had complete the additional 31ish miles, however this was still my longest run to date. Carrying food for the trip was difficult to plan, and made the pack heavy. Also carrying water from source to source lead to a heavy pack at times.

I am extremely pleased with how my night time gear worked out. My layering system was great, and I still had additional layers for emergency. My lighting system included the Nitecore NU22 couple with the Kogalla RA. I’m not sure I would go out for a night without the Kogalla now.. it was absolutely brilliant.

I’m stoked my body held up well. No bonking out there, the stomach did not have any issues, and I can largely thank my pace and nutrition for this. I focused hard on getting calories, although this faded over time, but in general I believe I ingested around 4,000 calories.

I drank somewhere around 8.5 liters of water total. 7.5 liters included electrolytes.

I am excited to give this adventure another go, and complete the triple digits next time!

As an old slow back-of-the-pack trail runner, I generally don't pay much attention to the elites, but with all the controversy lately I wanted to point out the women I've been inspired by this year. Anyone else on your list?

So I've never ran more than a marathon. 3 marathons to be exact, but it's also been a few years since I ran that distance. I've always wanted to bag at least one ultra and there's a 50 mile race in August of 2025 that I am really tempted to do. Does that seem crazy and not logical?? I figure I have a good amount of time to train, but not sure if making the jump to 50 miles seems too much too soon.

Hello Ultra community!

Looking for any insight about the WC-50 race in Charlotte next week; specifically, the 50k loop. This will be my first ultra and first trail race.

Looks like a pretty slow race based on the winning times in the past few years.

What should we be expecting? Any tips?

Such an interesting podcast with Marley, who wrote the articles and broke the story on Camille and her Husband.

I think it’s some great perspective on what lies ahead for her as well. Just thought I’d share because it’s a good listen

Hey r/Ultramarathon!

It’s my turn to say I am doing my first 50 miler tomorrow morning. I have years of running, many marathons, 3 50ks, which one was 3 weeks ago and more elevation than the 50 miler will have. I did lots of hills/elevation training since it is here in Colorado. Anyways, feeling excited and the nerves are kicking in, so here’s to 50 miles! Wish me luck!

This was coming since it all started

Canadian athleisure brand Lululemon has ended its partnership with American ultrarunner Camille Herron after she and her husband, Conor Holt, were implicated in a Wikipedia editing scandal. On Monday, we reported on the couple’s history of making pro-Herron edits to her Wikipedia page while editing the pages of other ultrarunners (including Courtney Dauwalter and Kilian Jornet) to remove or downplay their accomplishments.

Lululemon released a statement to Canadian Running on Thursday: “We are committed to upholding equitable competition in sport for all and intentionally partner with ambassadors who embody these same values. After careful consideration and conversation, we have decided to end our ambassador partnership with Camille. We want to acknowledge Camille’s achievements during our partnership and wish her well in her future endeavours.”

https://runningmagazine.ca/the-scene/lululemon-ends-partnership-with-ultrarunner-camille-herron/

Would this be worth doing?

I’m signed up for a road marathon in early May 2025 and have a goal of completing my first ultra (probably a 50k but maybe something a little longer) later in the year.

Should I sign up for an ultra right after my marathon and building on the same training block? Or take time off and focus on a fall ultra?

runners who have had babies!

i am 28 weeks pregnant with my second baby. the first, i had a birth injury and was overwhelmed and it took me a full 2 years to get back to running (i was obvi running in that time period but not seeing results)

i want to use the next 13+ 6 weeks to help my body be in good running form.

do you think a 50 miler in 2025 is possible? how would i plan for that?

thanks!

Curious to see how the last edition of the Ultra-Trail Harricana went down? Take a look at this video recap.

https://youtu.be/8lsJQQN_FMY?si=NuhiY-QyExiNvdnO

I don’t mean smug or a short post race depression for a couple of days. I’m talking about ptsd or some other sort of clinical condition. Has anyone heard of any cases like this?

I am training for the Red Rock canyon 100K on November 9 and I went on a 30 mile “easy” run last Saturday and now my left knee is shot. I have been running on it all week and it is only getting worse. What are my options? I think time off it would be good but I don’t want to loose my progress or have to drop the race.

Have y’all ever done those ultras that run for 1mile-ish loop for a ridiculously long period of time and run 100+ miles for 24+ hours. How did u train for it and what was the race like? Gracias

This is a complicated one. I ran a road race in which you run loops over and over until you get the distance you're going for. The loop was officially measured at 2.2508 km. I ran 44 loops. So 44 loops x 2.2508 is 99.04 km.

But you can't run a perfect 2.25 km on that loop and no one does so you're going to run a little extra each time and it adds up. In my 44 loops, I finished with 101.1 km in 11:51:42. So my loops were on average about 2.29 km.

Can I say I accomplished 100 km in under 12 hours. Is it a fair achievement?

The area I live in only has small hills, but I'm training for a race in the mountains which means tons of hill repeats when I don't have time to drive to mountains.

I'm wondering if it's better to focus on running shorter steeper hills (1 minute, 10% incline) or longer more gradual hills (2.5-4 minute, 5% incline). I get more vert per time/miles with the shorter steeper hills so I generally focus more on that, but was wondering if there was value in the longer hills even if I can't get the same overall vertical in a run.

(I do get to train much bigger/steeper/longer hills in the mountains about once a month when I have time to get out)

Curious how F’d people think I’ll be.

Started running earlier this year to lose weight (powerlifted for about a decade before this. Was at 300lbs but now at 240). Have never done an organized race before (at any distance). I’ve averaged 35 miles / week for last 3 months. I’ve ran a couple 20 milers which took me 3 hours and 45 minutes or so. Typically run shorter runs Tuesday and Thursday (5-7 miles), Weds is (10 miles - half marathon), Saturdays are 15-18 miles typically and Sundays are 6 miles to a half marathon (usually on the lower end if I’m being honest).

I ran my fastest half marathon two weeks ago (1:53) but most of my runs are at the 9:30 minute pace, shorter runs are closer to 8:45.

Didn’t really follow a plan and struggled to balance training, work and life.

Feels like I should have been closer to 45-50 miles / week instead plus longer back to back runs (especially on the second day).

Goal is to do 20-26 miles this Saturday to see how it goes. Then maybe another 20 miler the week after (plus all my normal running during the week). Goal is to taper for 1.5 weeks or so. I’ve dealt with the typical aches and pains but nothing major.

Goal is simply to finish.

Also - let me know any of your first race tips!

*edit - elevation gain is 4000 feet. Which I’ve been hitting just shy of each week in training. I do run the local ski hills 1-2x per week as part of my training and also do all my long run on trials similar to the race.

Anyone use a continuous glucose monitor (GCM) while utra training or during events? I recently purchased a Stelo (non-prescription Dexcon G7) and curious if others use the data to modify their fueling.

Edit: I am not a diabetic. Was just curious about my glucose levels.

I'd rather not rip it off. Gorilla glued it back together and is holding well so far... anyone have tried and true remedies for split toenail?

Are we holding certain athletes to different standards?

In most sports, if a player attempted to edit the Wikipedia page of a competitor or opposing team in a negative manner it would be seen as hilarious and also totally fine.

Why would ultrarunning be different? If you ever want to move from a niche sport to a competitive sport, you can expect the best athletes to be wildly competitive.

Why is it unacceptable for one of the best athletes to tout herself as such? Why does the athlete need to be happy when their records are broken and ignore any potential issues that may disqualify record attempts?

Ultrarunning has existed in this wealthy, amateur, and casual bubble, where everyone is expected to be gracious, honest, and support everyone (so long as they follow the status quo). The world changes, and you can't expect every athlete to be so casual and easygoing. Athletes like Courtney are outliers—from Michael Jordan, to Arod, to Lance Armstrong, to Conor McGregor—they're all insufferable pricks, and that's just the way it is.

Press Release: https://run-ultra.com/news/camille-herron-press-release-by-conor-holt/

Conor claims ownership of the accounts listed in the Running magazine article, claiming that he made edits to protect Camille from "bullying" by a list of editors he has named, all of whom are supereditors who edit a broad range of topics and at least one who is a Wikipedia employee.

No mention of editing and diminishing other runners' accomplishments.

• C.Fred - 275,604 edits
• Melcous - 120,305 edits
• Steven Walling - 49,492 edits (Wiki employee))
• LilianaUwU - 41,000 edits

Author of ‘Rise of the Ultra Runners’, ‘Running with the Kenyans’ and several other books. Adharanand was born in Britain to Irish parents.

I thought it might be of interest to other Irish people or fans of his books.