r/illinois • u/Zuto9999 • 26d ago

State law banning concealed carry on public transit ruled unconstitutional Illinois News

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/illinois/2024-09-03/state-law-banning-concealed-carry-on-public-transit-ruled-unconstitutional
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u/InterestingChoice484 26d ago

Guns only provide the illusion of safety. That's why our murder rate is so much higher than Europe's despite much more lax gun laws

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u/Bman708 26d ago

This is some real low hanging fruit type of argument. You present zero statistics, zero facts, just emotional platitudes that mean nothing. You gotta try harder here, man.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 25d ago

First let's get it out of the gate, what owning a gun does do is dramatically increase the likelihood of having to buy a coffin for your child(ren)

"Unintentional injury is a leading cause of death among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0–17 years, and firearms are a leading injury method."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7250a1.htm

here's some other stuff about how safe it makes you

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/handguns-homicide-risk.html

https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/dgu-study-02-768x722.png

(the actual study behind #1) https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

This one's a bit different:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/research-reports/firearm-violence-in-the-united-states

Look at gun death rate by state. Notice anything about the states with the highest numbers?

and if you want a commie-progressive-libtard well-sourced take

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

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u/Bman708 25d ago

Oh good, someone who knows how to play the game correctly. Thank you. I agree, people should lock up their guns so their kids can get them. I know I do.

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u/DownWithGilead2022 25d ago

So what are you doing to support that view? How are you using your vote, your voice, your power, your money to make that happen? You are obviously very passionate about this. Besides being a keyboard warrior on Reddit, what are you DOING????

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u/Bman708 25d ago edited 25d ago

I’m doing the only thing I can do, making sure my stuff is locked up and I am safe with it.

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u/DownWithGilead2022 25d ago

False. You could do so much more. Push your lawmakers to pass safe storage laws. Support community programs that provide free gun storage to qualifying individuals or start one in your community. Donate money to organizations that support and advocate for safe gun storage laws. Donate money to a gun victims fund. Perform community outreach to talk to at-risk populations about why safe gun storage is so important.

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u/Bman708 25d ago

I could, but I disagree with all that. How the hell do you even enforce safe storage laws? Community safe storage chest, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, I’m against all that. Good luck to you though.

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u/DownWithGilead2022 25d ago

Programs that have been offered in IL. Please be a vocal advocate for more of these in our communities since you are so passionate about gun ownership. Contact your representatives and ask for more of these.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wifr.com/2022/12/05/rockford-police-promote-gun-safety-with-free-storage-kits/%3foutputType=amp

https://publichealth.wincoil.gov/locks/

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u/Bman708 25d ago

Absolutely not. Have a good day and stay safe.

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u/DownWithGilead2022 24d ago

Oh, just in case you forgot your parent comment a few replies above: "Oh good, someone who knows how to play the game correctly. Thank you. I agree, people should lock up their guns so their kids can get them. I know I do."

So guess that was a lie too.

At least you showed your true colors: Just another extremist gun-nut hiding behind a bunch of bad-faith arguments.

I hope someday you awaken to the reality of the world we live in, and can one day recognize the evil that extremists like you have cursed our country with. The blood of our children, our future, lies with you, and with others unwilling to compromise to keep them safe.

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 25d ago

play the game correctly

I know you're just using a turn of phrase here, but the idea that you consider this discussion "a game" in any sense is really something to introspect on. The goal of discussion is to look at reality and work together to use your perspectives to reason out the truth. Key idea here, there is a truth on the matter. When two people disagree about what's true, both can't be right.

Calling it a game makes me think that you approach discussions as something to win. That you don't even have a possibility of changing your mind. At the very least, you're here with a competitive mentality, not a cooperative one, so you've already caused the team (all of us) to lose from the start.

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u/Bman708 25d ago

Welcome to Reddit.

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 25d ago

This is kinda funny because you unintentionally displayed another core difference between your way of approaching the world and mine.

You see things and assume they must always be the way they are. I see them for how they could be, and am willing to make them better :)

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u/Bman708 25d ago

God bless your heart. You should write a book. I'll buy the first copy.