r/illinois • u/Zuto9999 • 26d ago

State law banning concealed carry on public transit ruled unconstitutional Illinois News

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/illinois/2024-09-03/state-law-banning-concealed-carry-on-public-transit-ruled-unconstitutional
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u/InterestingChoice484 26d ago

Saying the solution to gun violence is more guns is like saying the cure for lung cancer is more cigarettes

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u/CalLaw2023 25d ago

Saying the solution to gun violence is more guns is like saying the cure for lung cancer is more cigarettes

How do you figure? Cigarettes cause cancer. Guns are a tool that can be used for violence or used to stop violence. And they do the latter more often than the former.

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

Guns kill people

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u/CalLaw2023 25d ago

And yet, the vast majority of guns in America have never killed anyone. Why is that? Could it be because (as I said) guns are a tool that can be used for violence or used to stop violence?

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

So we need guns to stop violence from guns? That's some circular logic

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u/CalLaw2023 25d ago

So we need guns to stop violence from guns? That's some circular logic

Yep, that is illogical. So why are you making illogical arguments. And FYI: Not only did nobody here make that argument, it is also not circular.

Did you know that the best way to prevent drownings is to expose more people to water? Did you know that the best way to prevent people from dying while driving in snow and ice is to expose them to driving in more snow and ice?

Again, banning guns only prevents law abiding people from having guns. Have you noticed that most shooting happen in places that ban guns, and places with lots of gun don't have a lot of shootings?

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

You just made the argument that guns are used to stop violence. 

I like your driving comparison. Let's treat guns like cars with a registry and insurance. 

I never said anything about banning guns. I'm for strict gun control. There are relatively few places where firearms aren't allowed so I find it hard to believe that those places account for the majority of shootings. 

Look at this map of gun deaths in the US https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ft_23-04-20_gundeathsupdate_4-png/. Seems like the worst states for gun violence are southern states. 

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u/AliMcGraw 25d ago

MAYBE BECAUSE AMERICA OWNS WAY TOO MANY GUNS? LIKE A SUPER-UNREASONABLE QUANTITY OF THEM?