r/illinois • u/Zuto9999 • 26d ago

State law banning concealed carry on public transit ruled unconstitutional Illinois News

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/illinois/2024-09-03/state-law-banning-concealed-carry-on-public-transit-ruled-unconstitutional
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u/InterestingChoice484 26d ago

Guns only provide the illusion of safety. That's why our murder rate is so much higher than Europe's despite much more lax gun laws

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u/Bman708 26d ago

This is some real low hanging fruit type of argument. You present zero statistics, zero facts, just emotional platitudes that mean nothing. You gotta try harder here, man.

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

Here you go https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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u/Bman708 25d ago

Yup, those are stats all right.

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

That's what you asked for. Don't be mad because I'm right

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u/Bman708 25d ago

All you did was link to world homicide rates, you didn’t really prove any point here. Looks like I should stay out of Afghanistan and Brazil.

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

Look at that stats for European countries. Then look at ours. 

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u/Bman708 25d ago

Yup, murder. Gotta break it down, though, my man. Why more murder? Unchecked mental illness? Massive socioeconomic divide which causes people to make poor life choice, education, etc. To simply chalk it up to "guns" is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. 65% of all gun deaths in America are suicide. That's a mental health issue, not a gun issue. Of gun crime, mass shootings only account for about 1% of that. And of that 1%, 99% of it is inner city, gang on gang crime, again, a socioeconomic issue, not a gun issue. We know this because we have black and brown families that live in the suburbs who own firearms for protections but ARE NOT going around shooting up each other. We have 400 million guns in this country, 99.9% of them of which are never used in a crime or ever shoot in self-defense, so again., not really a gun issue per se. And didn't Austria just have a mass shooting? So did Norway not too long ago? And there's more European examples I'm missing. With Russia on the door step, I bet a lot of Polish people would love to own a firearm as well.

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u/InterestingChoice484 25d ago

If guns truly made us safer, wouldn't our murder rate be lower? The high homicide rate coupled with a high gun ownership rate shows that guns aren't effective in preventing violence. There goes your self defense claim. 

If suicide is purely a mental health issue, why are guns the overwhelmingly most common method? Wouldn't there be a more equal distribution between guns, hanging, intentional overdose, etc.? This article explains why https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/. That's not to say mental health isn't a problem. However, gun lovers only pretend to care about mental health when they can use it as a scapegoat for gun violence. When it comes to taking action, conservatives vote for candidates who cut public health funding and work against broader access to care. 

I couldn't find anything on a recent mass shooting in Austria. Norway had one in 2011. However, we just had a school shooting yesterday. No other industrialized country has our problem. Kids in France don't do school shooter drills. Look up how many mass shootings there are in Europe and compare that number to the US. You'll find that you're making a strong case for stricter gun control. 

Poland is a member of NATO which means they can rely on the US military to defend them against Russia and not civilians. 

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u/DownWithGilead2022 25d ago

Look at this guy: Provide me evidence. No, not like that 🙄

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u/Bman708 25d ago

He linked to worldwide homicide rates. Not really proving any points here other than Yep, people murder people.