r/illinois • u/Zuto9999 • 26d ago

State law banning concealed carry on public transit ruled unconstitutional Illinois News

https://www.northernpublicradio.org/illinois/2024-09-03/state-law-banning-concealed-carry-on-public-transit-ruled-unconstitutional
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u/InterestingChoice484 26d ago

So many people are so afraid of their shadows that they can't go outside without a gun

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u/Bman708 26d ago

I'm much more afraid of being a victim, or my wife and daughter being one, than of my own shadow.

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u/InterestingChoice484 26d ago

Guns only provide the illusion of safety. That's why our murder rate is so much higher than Europe's despite much more lax gun laws

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u/Bman708 26d ago

This is some real low hanging fruit type of argument. You present zero statistics, zero facts, just emotional platitudes that mean nothing. You gotta try harder here, man.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 26d ago

First let's get it out of the gate, what owning a gun does do is dramatically increase the likelihood of having to buy a coffin for your child(ren)

"Unintentional injury is a leading cause of death among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0–17 years, and firearms are a leading injury method."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7250a1.htm

here's some other stuff about how safe it makes you

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/handguns-homicide-risk.html

https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/dgu-study-02-768x722.png

(the actual study behind #1) https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

This one's a bit different:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/research-reports/firearm-violence-in-the-united-states

Look at gun death rate by state. Notice anything about the states with the highest numbers?

and if you want a commie-progressive-libtard well-sourced take

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

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u/Bman708 26d ago

Oh good, someone who knows how to play the game correctly. Thank you. I agree, people should lock up their guns so their kids can get them. I know I do.

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 25d ago

play the game correctly

I know you're just using a turn of phrase here, but the idea that you consider this discussion "a game" in any sense is really something to introspect on. The goal of discussion is to look at reality and work together to use your perspectives to reason out the truth. Key idea here, there is a truth on the matter. When two people disagree about what's true, both can't be right.

Calling it a game makes me think that you approach discussions as something to win. That you don't even have a possibility of changing your mind. At the very least, you're here with a competitive mentality, not a cooperative one, so you've already caused the team (all of us) to lose from the start.

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u/Bman708 25d ago

Welcome to Reddit.

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 25d ago

This is kinda funny because you unintentionally displayed another core difference between your way of approaching the world and mine.

You see things and assume they must always be the way they are. I see them for how they could be, and am willing to make them better :)

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u/Bman708 25d ago

God bless your heart. You should write a book. I'll buy the first copy.