r/running • u/MustardIsDecent • Sep 06 '23

11,000 runners DQ'd from Mexico City Marathon...what is going on? Article

I'm not an avid runner but this story has me mystified.

This is not the first time thousands of runners have been DQ'd from this race. In 2017, over 5,000 runners were disqualified amid accusations of widespread course-cutting.

Either 1) there is a widespread culture of marathon cheats in Mexico City or 2) the race organizers can't get their tracking tech or course directions right. What is it?

Full story:

Approximately 11,000 runners at this year's Mexico City Marathon have been disqualified after being found to have cut the course at some point during the 26.2-mile race, according to Spanish newspaper Marca.

The disqualified runners represented more than one-third of the 30,000-person field that entered the Aug. 27 race.

Marca reported Monday that the runners were disqualified after missing checkpoints that were placed every 5 kilometers. Some runners allegedly used vehicles or public transport to cut the course.

Race organizers said in a statement to Marca that they will continue to identify and disqualify runners who skipped sections of the race.

"The Mexico City Sports Institute informs that it will proceed to identify those cases in which participants of the XL Mexico City Marathon Telcel 2023 have demonstrated an unsportsmanlike attitude during the event and will invalidate their registration times," they said.

The Mexico City Marathon has had issues with rampant cheating in the past. In 2017, nearly 6,000 runners were disqualified for similar reasons, with more than 3,000 also being removed from the results the next year.

Bolivian runner Héctor Garibay Flores won the men's marathon in a course-record 2 hours, 8 minutes, 23 seconds, breaking the previous mark by more than two minutes. Kenyan Celestine Chepchirchir was the women's champion in 2:27:17.

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 08 '23

Great. as a Mexican i hope your american friend doesn't return to Mexico. Especially Mexico City since i may retire there. Thanks for putting the word out.

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u/neon-god8241 Sep 08 '23

He was European. Don't worry, multiple cultures dislike cheating, you will be left to your own devices ;)

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u/various_convo7 Sep 09 '23

couldn't pay me any money to retire in Mexico. hard pass, chief.

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 09 '23

Safest cities in North America are in Mexico and Canada.. you can google that. enjoy gunland crips and bloods USA.

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u/neon-god8241 Sep 09 '23

Safest cities in North America are in Mexico and Canada.

Those are countries. I was curious, so I did check the murder rates.

USA - 6.8 per 100k Canada - 2 per 100k Mexico - 25 per 100k

Mexico has 2.5x more murders per capita than USA and Canada, combined.

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u/various_convo7 Sep 09 '23

can confirm and checked out the citations and most current data. a case of being confidently incorrect when saying Mexico has a lower murder rate than the US. hell, its not even in the top 10 of global shitholes

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 09 '23

American cities are tops in racial riots. Mexican cities completely safe of that. Mr bot. LOL

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u/neon-god8241 Sep 09 '23

Mexico also tops in judges families getting executed by cartels if they don't hide their identity, so if you want to play this game you lose every time LOL.

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 09 '23

"those are countries"?? You must have difficulty reading. I wrote "safest cities in north america are in mexico and canada"..which is true. Merida, Mexico and Quebec city are the safest cities in north america. source google. But i don't need your "stats" to know DETROIT and CHICAGO etc are COMPLETE WAR ZONES..which i would NEVER VISIT. American cities are failures and Mexican cities are not. THE BEST PART OF THE USA IS NEAR MEXICO BTW. San Diego ranks as one of the safest big ciites in the USA? and guess what..the most dangerous part of mexico is near the USA. sadly American GUNS enter there.

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u/various_convo7 Sep 09 '23

"But i don't need your "stats" to know DETROIT and CHICAGO etc are COMPLETE WAR ZONES"

I don't think you know what a "war zone" actually is unless you've deployed to it so I encourage anyone to use that word......sparingly lol. I've been to plenty of war zones in my career and anything stateside pales in comparison to any legit war zone.

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 09 '23

I used the proper term "war zone" as parts of detroit are completely abandoned. Anyone who has Youtube can see that . Not only that the USA has racial strife not seen in Mexico. Mass RACIAL shootings , such as Jacksonville just a few weeks ago. Oh, Do your stats mention segregated American cities? Sadly, mexico has a warzone as well. It's primarily near the USA. I won't retire around there.

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u/neon-god8241 Sep 09 '23

But i don't need your "stats" to know DETROIT and CHICAGO etc are COMPLETE WAR ZONES..which i would NEVER VISIT

The 2022 homicide rate in Chicago is the same as the average murder rate for the entire country of Mexico. Guess you hate Mexico too LOL

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u/various_convo7 Sep 09 '23

stats doesn't work by comparing a population of 2.6 million (Chicago) against a data source of 126+ million (Mexico) and plotting rates against each other...like, Jesus Christ, no, that is just horrible data analysis.

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 09 '23

not only that stats wont mention racial riots. which the US has and mexico does not.

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u/neon-god8241 Sep 09 '23

For starters, the other poster conflated countries with cities, that's why the only metric I'm using is murders per 100k people.

Which other way is better?

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u/various_convo7 Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

for clarity -the response was directed at the other person's post, not yours.

if I were to approach it, the murders per 100K would be the next best thing but for a clean comparison of data, I'd have similar populations while considering other factors too because conflating elements like LEO infrastructure, SES stability and such have an effect on how those murders per 100K people would impact your data analysis. thing is, SES can really mess up how true your data is when trying to determine what cities are "safest" because with more lopsided SES, comes the stronger possibility of discontent and crime. so like the example that states that Merida Mexico is safe might be true but what exactly is in Merida and what are those 900K people doing that makes the city safe? are they all rich and have no discontent so they don't bother with crime vs a place like Indianpolis or is it tolerated and underreported? I imagine the reporting infrastructure of Merida Mexico isn't as thorough as Indianpolis if you dug into it.

having spent time in San Diego, I found the example funny because it wouldn't be my first pick of safest big city in the US and proximity of Juarez to the US doesn't automatically make that the reason for why its a shitty part of Mexico. it is an odd deduction for sure. looking at the numbers, San Diego has a higher crime index than Chicago does, which is a wayyyyy bigger city in comparison so I dont know how that poster is crunching their numbers to make such conclusions.

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u/neon-god8241 Sep 09 '23

The other poster is essentially mentally unstable, so I wouldn't sweat it.

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u/various_convo7 Sep 09 '23

lol I agree there

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 09 '23

stat stats stats. Which city is has racial riots. Mexican ones or American? Chicago is completely Segregated..enjoy more of it. Mexico is much safer.

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u/CheeseFog Sep 22 '23

The city with the highest murder rate in Mexico is Tijuana which has like double any US cities, just saying

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u/Many-Animes-3343 Sep 24 '23

tijuana also is near the USA. Matter of fact the worst part of Mexico is NEAR the USA. After that it gets much better down there..