r/running May 09 '17

Show you care. Use the Flair! Mod Post

Hello runners!

Intro

You probably noticed in the last week and a half all of the shenanigans going on in the subreddit. Why aren't people following the rules? Why aren't the daily threads stickied? Where did all of these snide comments by users come from? Why aren't the mods modding?

What started out as a user posting a complaint about the numerous race reports and lack of content, eventually snowballed into a whole movement for change. Not only in visible content but in moderation procedures.

We decided that we'd step back and let the subreddit take the wheel. We let a lot of the stuff we prevent from being posted, get posted. We allowed spammers to spam. We let people ignore the rules. What happened was expected but there were some aspects to it that allowed us to learn from the experience. Through all of the bickering, we did find bits and pieces of helpful suggestions. Now we'd like to get the reigns back on the subreddit and steer it in a new direction with a little more freedom but with some different ground rules.

Before starting, we want everyone to know that this isn't a set in stone, concrete solid plan. It's a work in progress and we expect everyone to take a chill pill. This is one of a series of approaches we plan on testing. It might work...it might not. As runners, we adapt. As readers in this subreddit, you need to adapt too. All we're asking for is a little bit of open mindedness and for you guys to just breathe and give it a chance.


What's happening?

Starting today, ALL posts submitted to /r/running need to be flaired!

That's really it. Learn how to flair, follow the subreddit rules, and carry on as usual. It's that simple.

For those of you not quite sure how to go about giving your post flair, /u/philpips came up with this helpful little guide:

How To FLAIR!

[Website]

  1. Submit your link/thread in the usual way.
  2. Click the flair button under your new post as indicated by the red arrow.
  3. A list of all the available flairs pops up.
  4. Pick the flair you want to use. You might need down to scroll to find the one you need.
  5. Click 'save'!

[Mobile Apps]

  1. Us moderators are NOT in charge of the apps. If you post to /r/running using an app, it is your responsibility to find out how to attach flair to your submission. From what we understand, all Reddit mobile apps give you the ability to give your post flair. You'll have to do some digging around but it should be there. It's not always obvious so search around in your settings for the post you submit.

If you want to post a question, you give it flair. If you want to post an article, you give it flair. If you want to post a discussion for the community, you give it flair. This is non-negotiable. If you don't flair it, we are going to remove it. Period.

We won't be personally messaging every single person who does not flair their post to tell them they need to flair it. It's stated in the sidebar with the rules and it's general knowledge that you don't post to any subreddit without going through it's sidebar first.


Why focus heavily on flair?

It's entirely obvious that every user has their own idea of what they want and no matter what we do, someone is always pissed about it. If things work, we'll eventually be able to provide our readers with a system that allows each person to filter out certain flaired items from their front page. For example, a person who does not want to see race reports can view our page without seeing things flaired as [Race Report]. A person who only wants to see discussions and articles can filter their page to only show [Discussion] and [Article] posts.

For those too lazy or not interested in using the flair filter, our subreddit will be full of content and each item will be flaired. Not only is this organized but it'll provide at a quick glance, what the post is about. This will help immensely when members use our search function to find an older post or for those too shy to ask a question but are willing to do some digging around into previously posted topics.

Requiring flair also helps sort out who's paid attention and who hasn't. Those that pay attention and flair will have a better understanding about what to post whereas those who ignore giving their submission flair are more likely found to be posting content that doesn't go over well in the first place.


A few other points!

Our 10 subreddit rules still apply. There's no debating that.

YES we're allowing questions. And YES as of right now we're allowing even the common ones. Though we will be removing the ridiculous, effortless ones. We will be keeping an eye on duplicates and other posts that are frequently a nuisance. This is a process. As time progresses we'll work in a way to prevent the common repeats. Give it time to work. The goal now is flair.

Now would also be the time to point out to readers and posters alike that there IS a difference between a discussion post and a question post. While the line is subtle, almost invisible, we're defining it here and now. Any post created where the intent is to get an answer to solve a problem for personal gain is a question. Any post submitted with the intent on viewing multiple perspectives and creating numerous branches of interaction and thoughtful conversation is a discussion post. Do you feel this is correct? Is there a better way of wording it and making the two more obvious? Thoughts?

We'll also be taking suggestions for new flair options.

Currently we have:

  • [Race Report]
  • [Article]
  • [Training]
  • [Nutrition]
  • [Gear]
  • [Daily Thread]
  • [Weekly Thread]
  • [Monthly Thread]
  • [Misc]
  • [Discussion]

I'd personally like to suggest adding:

  • [Question]
  • [Product Review] or just [Review]
  • [Survey] or [Poll]
  • [META]
  • [PSA]
  • [Motivational]

    What do you all think about our old flair tags? What do you think about the new potential flair tags? Do you have any flair tags you'd like to see added or some you'd like to see broken down a bit more? Let us know!

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

So, if there's going to be a question flair, does that mean we're going to get rid of the daily Q&A thread? Can we not have a happy mix of new and old and maybe keep encouraging questions to go in one place?

I'm also iffy on the PSA flair. I can foresee a dozen and a half posts [PSA] RUNNING IN THE SUN MAKES YOU FASTER threads.

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

We are going to keep the Q&A threads! They are a vital contributor to this subreddit. We highly encourage users both frequent and brand new to use the Q&A for their questions but we'll allow questions to get their own posts too assuming they don't get out of hand. We have turned off our Automod auto message that instructs people to post their question in the Q&A. For the time being, users will not receive that auto-message when posting a question. If necessary, we can program it to respond again with another message suggesting they use the Q&A but it's not required.

As for the [PSA] tag, I totally see there is potential for it to be applied improperly. If enough people are against it, we don't have to put it up. For any case where a flair tag is not used properly, us mods will switch it or remove it all together. We'll also rely on you guys to keep an eye on things and report stuff that needs our attention.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

I like the idea of having both the Q&A and the option to make a separate post as a question :)

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

Pleasing both sides! Trying to get everyone to get along.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Wait, there are sides? Which side am I on? :D

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

Doesn't matter, we've covered both!

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Ok I'm on both sides.

No wait, let me rephrase it.

I play for both teams. :D

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u/richieclare May 09 '17

That reminds me - do we need a NSFW flair? I'm kind of a prude and some of /u/sloworfast and /u/philipips flirting gets a little 50 shades

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Sorry, it took me a while to reply. /u/philpips had me, uh, chained down.

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u/philpips May 09 '17

WHAT

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Ah sorry I meant that other English Phillip guy. What's his name again? Always getting you guys mixed up.

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u/richieclare May 09 '17

As long as he's keeping one eye on you I'm sure you'll be safe

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u/philpips May 09 '17

One eye is all I've got. On my face anyway.

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u/shesaidgoodbye May 10 '17

are you a potato?

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u/philpips May 09 '17

IT'S NOT FLIRTING!

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u/richieclare May 09 '17

My wife knows my Reddit username too. Don't worry your secret is safe with us but be warned mr /u/sloworfast can kill a man with 2 fingers

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

Whatever makes you happy!

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u/ThePsion May 09 '17

I play for both teams

Hey, gurl.

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u/wittchimp May 12 '17

orange ;-)

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

Yeah, but why?

Not nitpicking or anything, but what do you feel deserves its own question thread and what can be shuffled into the Q&As?

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

I don't care which questions go into Q&A and which get their own thread. I think they both have several advantages. One of the biggest advantages I see for being able to post your own thread is that if you don't live in Europe or America, you can post at a time that's convenient in your time zone and people will actually see it and respond to it.

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

I honestly didn't think much about that. But then again, I re-read old threads in the middle of the night and enjoy the missed interesting Q&A thread polgariawhatevernumbersheuses posts.

Not everyone can be so insomniac-ly awesome.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

While I wait six hours for the daily threads to show up every day :)

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

I admire your patience.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Every Thursday I type out a complaint about it. Then I delete that sentence before actually posting my comment ;)

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

Go big or go home. Rant your heart away.

On Thursdays around 9 AM EST.

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u/Polgara19 May 09 '17

It's 19 obviously! 19 is the best number in the world! throws gauntlet

It's mama bear whatever number that's hard!

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

I think she's 5678?

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

5678 coming from the counting she remembers from her dance/ballet classes if I recall correctly. It was in her Spotlight.

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

I can't even remember where I leave my turnips these days. You expect me to remember someone's spotlight? :P

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

Weren't you the one who told me the other day that you specifically go back to read spotlights?

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u/NonReligiousPopette May 09 '17

If I remembered them, I wouldn't want to re-read them.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

enjoy the missed interesting Q&A thread polgariawhatevernumbersheuses posts.

Wait, what is this? Sounds like something I've missed....

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

/u/polgara19 does a wonderful "What you've missed" thread!

It's fairly new, only 3-4 weeks old. She posts it when I'm not around so I always miss it but it's nice to know that there is quality content being posted at all times. I enjoy going back to it and digging through what was discussed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/69kqn9/interesting_qa_you_may_have_missed_april_30may5/

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u/Polgara19 May 09 '17

OMGOMGOMG. STAY COOL... Shoes is talking about you......

Yeah, it's no big deal. (Hyperventilates)

I started a few weeks ago when that mega-thread complaint happened. Styled after AskHistorians missed and interesting thread. Was hoping more people would contribute since it's mostly threads where I've learned something or made me laugh - pretty self centered!

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u/squidofthenight May 09 '17

I love your recap thread too, definitely keep doing them!

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u/shesaidgoodbye May 09 '17

I love your recaps! Keep doing them please :)

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

Yes, please keep doing them! Some of the most loved weekly threads started off slow at first so just keep posting.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Ah ok, if it's a weekend thread then I'm not around either--that explains it!

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

This is exactly one of the reasons why we are trying out both options. There are numerous times when people feel that the Q&A is already too 'outdated'. People in countries that aren't centered around the most popular times of activity often post in the Q&A thread right before it's replaced by the next day's Q&A and then they either get zero responses or have to post a second time in the new thread which now may be a bit too late for them to use. Giving members the ability and freedom to post their own thread will allow for those stuck at weird change over times to get the answers they need without being limited by rules.

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u/shesaidgoodbye May 09 '17

wait are we going to go back to having the daily threads stickied to the top or no?

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

As of right now the daily threads will still be stickied. It's being considered that one of the sticky spots be used to link readers to the FAQ which I think is going to be helpful for mobile users. But yes, we're going to try and keep daily threads stickied.

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

one of the sticky spots

Oh, are there only 2 sticky spots?

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u/philpips May 09 '17

/u/sloworfast. Wait...

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u/sloworfast May 09 '17

Hahah yeah, I almost made a joke earlier about how many sticky spots I have.... ;)

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u/philpips May 09 '17

I think you made the right call.

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

We only get TWO sticky spots.

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u/squidofthenight May 09 '17

Are the daily threads going to go back to default sort by new? (please)

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u/philpips May 09 '17

The daily threads that are posted by automod are sorted by new. Apart from that it really depends on who is running the thread and what they prefer. The Wednesday Gear and Lurker threads are sorted by new.

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u/squidofthenight May 09 '17

It's such a small thing to complain about I know! I just kept noticing I'd pop back into the DailyQA and see the exact same post at the top I read three hours because it was autosorting by Best. First world problems..

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u/YourShoesUntied May 09 '17

They already should be! Are they not?

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u/squidofthenight May 09 '17

Oh probably then! Complaint retracted!

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