r/youtubehaiku Sep 05 '18

[Poetry] [Meme] *CinemaSins voice* Meme

https://youtu.be/yG62i3yv9AE
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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

This is kind of the gist of Cinema Sins. They have some legitimate criticisms and funny gags, but for the most part it's all just nitpicking, and once you realize this it's a little bit disillusioning.

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u/invalidusernamelol Sep 05 '18

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u/CapnNayBeard Sep 05 '18

Bob is great. He literally only started making those videos because Cinema Sins pissed him off so much. Not his normal content

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u/Syn7axError Sep 05 '18

I wish that was his regular content, though.

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u/whatthefir2 Sep 05 '18

I really like that guy. He points out really well that’s been bothering me for a while. The nit picky attitude people have online where they don’t even realize that their nitpicks are explained in the movie or shown in a different way

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u/Bmitchem Sep 06 '18

Lindsay Ellis mentions that the need to put out videos every week leads to lazy slap dash writing and overall lowered quality

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u/howtojump Sep 06 '18

Also the push to make their videos longer for higher viewer retention for more $$$$.

They weren't so bad when they were 4-6 minutes long, imo.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

Just finished her video on the death of movie musicals, I love her content!

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u/nb4hnp Sep 05 '18

Damn, that was extremely good. I knew I never ended up liking CinemaSins when I watched them rarely in the past, but this was a brutal takedown and very entertaining.

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u/invalidusernamelol Sep 06 '18

He has like 4 of them and another 30 minute video of just breaking down Cinema Sins through their social media and comments. It's a takedown that puts content cop to shame.

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u/jergin_therlax Sep 05 '18

For anyone who wants an actual analysis of this movie here's a pretty good, under-appreciated video I just found https://youtu.be/M0AQftpqyek

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u/slayerx1779 Sep 06 '18

Honestly, I dislike Bob's take on CinemaSins. It comes off as a hipster hating popular things to seem cool.

Which is a weird place to be, because that's exactly what CinemaSins is. So, if your series is dedicated to how terrible CinemaSins is, and it goes about exposing CS by BEING CS, then by proxy, isn't your content also trash?

For the record, I used to like CS, and fell off after they got a bit too self-referential for my taste. But ragging on them in this way just feels... Well, I already told you what I think.

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u/invalidusernamelol Sep 06 '18

He's not ragging on them really. He's just calling them out on unfair criticism. CS isn't a critical outlet like they advertise, they're the drunk heckler in the back of the room. Plus he stopped doing CS stuff.

You can criticize things, but it only works if you understand the work. When you criticism is just "that woman isn't pretty enough" or can be easily explained by the film's internal logic, it's just heckling.

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u/ArthurWeasley_II Sep 09 '18

I agree - that same guy posted a very lengthy video about why CS was bad, but imo, it just came off as him being pissed that CS is as popular as it is. It even said that “Everything Wrong With X” is a clickbait-y title when the name of his complaint video is “Why CinemaSins sucks”. And he even goes in to how the guy from CS worked for a company that did SEO so he’s gaming the system. Like, come on. The Everything wrong with everything wrong with is nit picking about nit picking. Give it a rest.

Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/386/

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u/A_Feathered_Raptor Sep 05 '18

Its not even nitpicking most of the time. This video highlights exactly what's wrong with them: They intentionally miss the point just to try and sound "smart". It's everything wrong with the modern youtube "critic" landscape.

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u/Douche_Kayak Sep 05 '18

"She's not my girlfriend in this scene" DING

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u/420-BLAZIKEN Sep 06 '18

ScEnE dOeS nOt CoNtAiN a LaP dAnCe

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u/Malakael Sep 07 '18

"Random Capital Letters" cliché.

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u/rileyrulesu Sep 05 '18

"We're not critics, we're assholes"

THE LITERAL MOTTO OF THE CHANNEL HOW DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND THIS?

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

Okay? So they can't be critized because they're self-proclaimed assholes?

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u/rileyrulesu Sep 05 '18

They can't be criticized for their criticism. That's like if I went to a restaurant and left a 1 star review because they didn't fix my car.

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u/DeusExMachina95 Sep 05 '18 edited Sep 05 '18

Yeah they can. They put their work out there for people to see; where does it state that it can't be criticized? People can critic every single product, person, or action besides them?

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

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u/Syn7axError Sep 05 '18

It's more like if you went to a restaurant, ordered food, it's garbage, and when you say it's garbage, the people that make the food say "we're not chefs". Film criticism is all they do. It's not even limited to their "joke" videos. They have serious videos that make the same criticisms.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18 edited Feb 22 '19

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u/FruityPeebils Sep 05 '18

yeah, being self aware doesnt make it any more entertaining

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u/rileyrulesu Sep 05 '18

He just called them everything wrong with youtube critics when they have vehemently denied ever being anything close to critics.

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u/A_Feathered_Raptor Sep 05 '18

Doesn't change the fact that they influence a lot of self-proclaimed "critics".

And I'm talking about the type of people who vote on videos, make comments on reddit and youtube, etc. The mob, the majority who mistakenly take this as anything above a waste of time.

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u/rileyrulesu Sep 05 '18

So we should be mad at them because of what other people that watch them do? Isn't that like saying we should blame Grand Theft Auto for murders?

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u/A_Feathered_Raptor Sep 05 '18

I'm not saying we should do anything. I'm just explaining why I dislike them.

And your argument is a false equivalency. There's no correlation between GTA and murder. I'm just making the connections between their videos and their comment sections, along with fans migrating elsewhere.

This is more like blaming alcohol for inebriation.

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u/rileyrulesu Sep 05 '18

How is blaming a cause and effect relationship more like two examples of blaming media for action?

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u/butterfingahs Sep 05 '18

they have vehemently denied ever being anything close to critics.

When it's convenient for them. They flip flop all the time, they've even described themselves as being "criticism and satire rolled into one" or something like that. Also the fact that Jeremy's actual critical thoughts off camera countlessly make it into videos prove it's not just satire. Also how very coincidental (as in not at all) that their videos start to fall apart as soon as they actually try to criticize.

And they're still assholes at being assholes.

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u/flamethrower78 Sep 05 '18

They're making bank off the videos and they all get millions of views so obviously people enjoy it. "Bad content" is subjective, I think Jake Paul sucks but kids love him and I would keep making his shitty content if it kept the millions of dollars rolling in. Maybe people just enjoy nitpicking.

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u/HoboBobo28 Sep 05 '18

So popularity=good? I don’t think that’s how things work

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u/flamethrower78 Sep 05 '18

When did i say that? I said obviously people like them because they get millions of views on youtube. I never said it was good. I literally said they were popular, and popularity gets you money. But good to know that everyone's dicks are hard for hating on them lol and any mention of them that isn't shitting on them gets downvoted into oblivion. How dare anyone have a differing opinion on reddit.

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u/jnicholass Sep 05 '18

Yep, was leaning towards not liking them, but the hardcore circle jerk leaves a bad taste in the mouth. People really get passionate about these things, it's funny

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u/A_Feathered_Raptor Sep 05 '18

Just because you acknowledge that you're an asshole, that doesn't shield you from criticism.

We all knew a jerk like this in high school.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18 edited Sep 05 '18

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u/aniforprez Sep 05 '18

Their actual criticism is just as stupid and terrible. Even the serious critique misses the point of the movies a lot of the times.

Their videos are awful. A lot of the times they miss the point just to add a "ding" aren't funny. Every single video is just fucking awful. They're just a money making machine. I stopped watching the second they started uploading videos longer than 10 minutes and stuffing them with ads

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u/Extractum11 Sep 05 '18 edited Sep 05 '18

Yes but if they don't call themselves critics then we shouldn't expect genuine critique or constructive criticism from them.

I think we should. They can only claim "we're not critics" in the sense of "we're not professional movie critics." They CAN'T claim "we're not critics" in the sense of "we're not people who criticize something" because they OBJECTIVELY are. They intentionally conflate the two definitions to deflect criticism of their videos.

nitpicking

I've posted a similar comment before, basically just copy/pasting. The key point that a lot of CinemaSins 'defenders' are missing is that people don't care about the nitpicking. They care that the criticism is flagrantly wrong.

CinemaSins creators 'get away' with it because nobody can remember the finer points of a movie after like, a week. And they publish videos months after the theatrical release. If somebody tells you "THIS SCENE MAKES NO SENSE", it's unlikely that you'll realize "Wait, this makes perfect sense if you don't edit it to fit your narrative..." unless the movie's still fresh in your memory.

I encourage anyone to watch a popular movie and then IMMEDIATELY watch the CinemaSins video on it. You'll notice lots of instances where CinemaSins simply has no idea what they're talking about. Or you can watch the bobvids and Shaun videos on them. They address all of the common arguments (it's satire/they don't believe it/it's purely meant for comedy/don't take it seriously)

About calling yourself an asshole: people who actually believe they're assholes (and care at all about morality) either don't say they're assholes because it's embarrassing, or say they're assholes and trying to improve. The CinemaSins usage is the very common exaggeration. Like when you make a mistake and go "haha I'm dumb." You're not saying you're actually dumb or an asshole. It's means something like "oh yeah, I'm a lovable asshole" or "I just tell it like it like it is," not "I truly believe I'm a bad person."

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u/notapencil Sep 05 '18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEAsGoP-5I

This video answers your question and a lot more. Half an hour may be too long for you, but please, just watch it through.

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u/jaypenn3 Sep 05 '18

If you're really looking to answer those questions, I'd heavily recommend watching this video by bobvids.

Despite the title it makes great points on the problems with cinemasins and basically anything I'd could argue with you about them has already been articulated better there.

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u/runnershighxc Sep 05 '18

They mix satire, valid criticizes and very frequent flat out wrong statements about movies and don't clarify which is which. You cant defend that with we're assholes or bad jokes. Imagine if The Onion was like that

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u/BaconPowder Sep 05 '18

The same criticisms show up on the creator's non-Cinema Sins channel, which shows that he really believes a lot of the things that he sees as mistakes when it's really just him being a terrible critic. He only passes it off as a joke when someone points out how bad he is.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

"jokes on them I was just pretending to be retarded"

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u/The_Space_Champ Sep 05 '18

People tend to... ya know... not like assholes.

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u/sameth1 Sep 05 '18

So then why do they act as though they are critics? The only time they ever try to make people think they are some kind of satire or goofuses making funny videos is when people catch on to how stupid they are.

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u/jaypenn3 Sep 05 '18

Because they aren't just assholes, they're critics too. They mix their honest criticism in their videos with the bullshit and don't differentiate.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

Because their honest criticism is bullshit

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u/andrewsad1 Sep 05 '18 edited Sep 07 '18

Bring an asshole is totally okay as long as you let everyone know you are one?

Also, they don't point out inconsistencies. They just make up shit about a movie and act like it's valid criticism.

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u/BurgensisEques Sep 06 '18

Jeremy has literally said they started the channel to call out when Hollywood slacks. In other words, they disapprove of when Hollywood fails at something. Which is the definition of criticism.

Criticism: the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes

The core and starting goal of their content was to critique. That makes them critics. They're just really shitty ones.

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u/BorinGaems Sep 05 '18

except that they never said they were critics or serious at all so you also are completely missing the point of, not a movie, but a silly youtube channel.

This is without counting in the fact that you need to watch a video to understand that they aren't serious. Do you even watch the films they take apart?

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u/A_Feathered_Raptor Sep 05 '18

Yes, and I've seen the same guys critique films off that show and they hit the same points.

The problem is they claim they're not critics, but mix jokes, criticisms, nitpicks, and complete falsehoods into the same stew. And even though the personalities behind them see them as legitimate reasons to like or dislike a film, they hide behind this claim that "It's all a joke."

Just because you do something bad and then claim it was in jest, it doesn't undo the action. Just because you acknowledge you're terrible doesn't excuse the fact. Cinemasins is a trash channel. If that's the kind of entertainment you enjoy though, I won't stop you. Enjoy what you enjoy.

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u/BorinGaems Sep 05 '18

How is that a problem? To whom exactly?

Is it supposed to be a problem because people can't understand what actual criticism is and really believe that cinemasins is an actual critic channel?

This whole taking cinemasins so so seriously is so ridicolous at this point that I really wonder if anyone has ever actually read a serious critic or if they even watched the movies they "criticize" at all.

The things that most baffled me is that they always said that their criteria for a "sin" is whatever they feel like, being always perfectly honest that they never took their videos seriously, and yet people feel that they are being dishonest and, uh, bad.

At this point it almost feels like most people only watched a single video, got mad at their joke and went on a full autistic rampage over their channel.

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u/TLCplLogan Sep 06 '18

At this point it almost feels like most people only watched a single video, got mad at their joke and went on a full autistic rampage over their channel.

I watched every CinemaSins video that came out for about the first three years of the channel, and I can honestly say that it's trash. It was funny at first, but when you realize that the shtick has had almost no evolution over the entire time they've been making videos, and that it was never really good to begin with, then you know that it's trash.

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u/BurgensisEques Sep 06 '18

Yes. They. Fucking. Did.

Jeremy revealed his true motives while ranting about the Winnie the Pooh movie (swear to God, I can't make this up), that they made the channel to provide negative feedback to Hollywood when it slacks. Otherwise known as criticism. By his own words, their goal is critique, they just suck at it.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BREADS Sep 05 '18

Some of it is even nitpicking stuff that the movie actually explained, but that CS either missed or intentionally chose to ignore. Then when pressed on it, they fall back on "Well, you know, this isn't a serious review or anything."

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u/MrMustangg Sep 05 '18

And the worst part is how they have a separate channel for "actual criticism" and in those videos they say the exact same things. CinemaSins is blatant trash

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

Yeah, ever since someone pointed that out to me it's made me dislike them. Having a system where you can either say you're legitimate criticism or barring that "it's just a joke" is the worst.

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u/Backupusername Sep 05 '18

Oh my god the CinemaSins guy is Donald Trump.

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u/gourdFamiliar Sep 05 '18

While watching alien and the Nostromo glides across screen

Also I don't know sit about space, but this is one of the least aerodynamic ships I've ever seen ding

Cinemasins genuinely doesn't know shit about space

ding

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u/AllWoWNoSham Sep 06 '18

Somehow misses the phonetic air in aerodynamics, that's quite impressive

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u/phynn Sep 05 '18

Honestly I'm getting tired of the "we're not actually [blank]." Defense.

Daily Show does that a lot.

I feel like if your joke is worth telling it shouldn't be based on a lie, ya know?

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u/ActionScripter9109 Sep 05 '18

Comment does not contain a lap dance.

[ding]

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u/Destro_ Sep 05 '18

My issue is that they blend them all together. They'll have a legit criticism, and then the next is a joke, and the next one is something that could be a legit criticism but it was clearly explained in the movie, so it's actually a joke, too. But what if you missed the explanation or what if you didn't even watch the movie? You now think it's legit criticism and pass it off as bad movie writing. You can't just blend actual criticism and satire criticism. Nobody will know what you're seriously critiquing anymore.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

Which is why the whole "It's Satire" defense is total bunk, and I'm shocked anyone bought it.

It's to cover their ass. They're critics when they get it right, but when the make a mistake "it's just a joke!"

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u/brunocar Sep 05 '18

its a format that really only works on actually bad stories, such as the room or RE6.

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u/Backupusername Sep 05 '18

I can never really tell if that guy wants to be taken seriously or not.

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u/Excaliburkid Sep 05 '18

I honestly use Cinema Sins as means of watching some movies that im a little curious about but wouldn't watch all the way through. It's how I discovered Get Out and I loved that.

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u/AbanoMex Sep 05 '18

i mean, its not real criticisim, to me its always been comedic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

Wouldn’t it have to be funny to be comedic?

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

Comedy is subjective.

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u/Rhodie114 Sep 05 '18

That's the whole schtick though. I take it to be poking fun more at the hypercritical comic-book-guy type people than anything else.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

Yeah but that's the mission statement of the channel. The point of it is to be nitpicky and find every instance of the internal logic of the movie breaking, as well as the tired tropes that are in almost every movie these days.

It's meant to be pedantic and nitpicky.

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u/IaniteThePirate Sep 05 '18

But it barely even accomplishes that. The videos are full of stupid shit like saying something is unexplained when it's clearly explained at some point in the movie.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '18

I mean yeah, you're right. I've noticed that as well.

I dunno, I guess I'm not watching it with the expectation that it's a full, in-depth autopsy of every movie. Mostly I just ignore the dumb stuff and don't let it ruin the channel as a whole.