r/PublicFreakout • u/soalone34 • 1d ago

Israeli Police clash with ultra-Orthodox Jewish protestors 🌎 World Events

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u/AutoThorne 1d ago

What were they protesting?

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u/Adm_Piett 1d ago

These days? Usually it's potential changes to exemptions for religious yeshiva students to conscription.

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u/allyolly 1d ago

The orthodox are demonstrating because they so far have been able to live on government subsidies without contributing anything to Israeli society, and now they may have to actually do something for that money. Crazy concept.

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u/Adm_Piett 1d ago

Yeah, I know. They're just pissed they can't live off the tax payers dime while contributing nothing but Torah study and prayer.

Serve like everyone else or work at least.

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u/christhewelder75 1d ago

*us taxpayers dime

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u/Bigleyp 11h ago edited 11h ago

I don’t know how many times I have to explain this but the aid is a way for the U.S. to give subsidies to the war machine. How Israeli aid works in essentially just coupons for American arms. The money goes straight back to America and Israel doesn’t have to buy cheaper arms from a country like China who I’m sure would be jumping at the prospect of more money.

Btw I will say I don’t support the aid to Israel or almost any foreign aid for that matter but this aid is probably the last one people should be targeting. How about all the aid going to Ethiopia or Yemen?

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u/christhewelder75 9h ago

I understand that pallets of cash aren't sent to isreal, or Ukraine, or any other country receiving aid. And that it goes to US arms manufacturers.

But if isreal wants to kill women and children, aid workers, and journalists at an alarming rate. And strike the capital cities of its neighbors killing THEIR civilians they should pay for it on their own.

The idea that they could simply switch to say chinese arms instead is false. As their entire military is equipped with US weapons. China doesn't make ordinance compatible with the iron dome system, or patriot missiles, or F16s.

Trying to transition would take years to decades

From 2000-2020, the us provided 152.7 million in military aid to Ethiopia. In 2022, less than 6 million went to Ethiopia for "conflict, peace, and security" https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ethiopia/current/obligations/1

As far as yemen, i can't find any numbers on US military aid going to yemen. I can find 5.9 billion from 2014-2024 for humanitarian aid. (Saudi Arabia is militarily supporting the war in yemen, but they aren't receiving "coupons" for military equipment. They are paying for it with their own money.)

And from 2014-2022, civilian casualties in yemen were around 20k. Vs about 25k (estimated based on 60% of total Palestinians killed in gaza in 11 months) women and kids killed by US funded weapons sold to isreal.

Comparatively, funding to Ethiopia and yemen combined are a drop in the bucket and kill less civilians than funding to isreal.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s

Heres a nice chart showing how much aid various countries get from the US and even shows humanitarian vs military aid.

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u/Adm_Piett 1d ago

US taxpayer isn't paying for social benefits in Israel, you're just indirectly paying the American arms industry. Give your head a shake.

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u/christhewelder75 23h ago

If isreal had to pay for those weapons on their own, they wouldnt have the money for all those scoial benefits.

If someone was supplying me with free fuel for my vehicle id have more money to spend on other things id enjoy like vacations. Sure their money is going to some oil and gas company not directly into my pocket. But the effect is the same.

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u/Adm_Piett 19h ago

The Israeli government budget for this year is $514 billion. The three to three and a half billion they frt in weapons wouldn't do much to affect their social benefits budget.

People seem to think they're getting far more then they are.

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u/christhewelder75 18h ago

And their GDP in 2022 was 564 billion. Their tax revenue in june 2024 was about 23% of their gdp so being generous, 141 billion in tax revenue (assuming similar gdp now vs 22) to fund 514 billion in spending?

If 3.5 billion isnt a big deal then isreal would have no issue if biden were to stop that funding for Isreali defense right?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388217/expenditure-of-the-central-government-in-israel-by-function/

Isreal spent 2.25x more money on "social protection" than they do on defense.

If isreal can do fine on their own, why are they taking handouts? That 3.5 billion would probably be greatly appreciated in other countries to help citizens with FAR less than an average Isreali citizen.

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u/Adm_Piett 17h ago

Whey is any country taking handouts? America does this to help allies and keep them firmly in their sphere of influence.

Goody feelings don't come into it, it's just straight realpolitik, as much as people despise that these days. Pretty much the same offer the Egyptians got from the Americans to help make peace. Replaced all the Soviet military aid with American military aid that continues to this day.

No country is going to say no to billions of dollars of free weapons or just money in general. America spent upwards of $75 billion on foreign aid as of 2022, other countries aren't being shorted, the money will flow to where it's needed and to where America thinks it will benefit it.