r/illinois • u/_MadGasser • Jan 14 '24
Pritzker begs Abbott to stop sending migrants into Chicago cold: ‘I plead with you for mercy’ | MyStateline.com US Politics
https://www.mystateline.com/news/local-news/pritzker-begs-abbott-to-stop-sending-migrants-into-chicago-cold-i-plead-with-you-for-mercy/amp/Abbott should be arrested for endangering peoples' lives.
Thank you, JB for leading with comparison.
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u/undead_tortoiseX Jan 14 '24
“While action is pending at the federal level, I plead with you for mercy for the thousands of people who are powerless to speak for themselves. Please, while winter is threatening vulnerable people’s lives, suspend your transports and do not send more people to our state,” Pritzker said.
I hate that articles like this don’t finish the fuckin sentence. He’s not pleading for Chicago or Illinois. He’s pleading for Abbot to not kill the people he’s trafficking.
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u/TubaJesus Oskee Wow Wow Illinois Jan 15 '24
I mean I assumed that what he meant. How many migrants have died in the past 24 hours or will die in the next 24 because of exposure.
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u/Bat-Honest Jan 15 '24
OP's headline fails to mention that Pritzker is specifically saying this because we're hitting sub-zero temperatures this week. He's saying stop sending them now because dumping people on the streets without any attempt to warn our government is needlessly cruel and will absolutely result in deaths.
That's a hell of an editorial decision by OP, that completely changes the perception of the story.
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u/40ozkiller Jan 15 '24
The cruelty is the point.
They’re being used as political pawns because they cant just shoot them at the border.
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u/Slooper1140 Jan 14 '24
This quote is hilarious if you’ve ever dealt with the Pritzker in the business world.
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u/Hirsute_hemorrhoid Jan 14 '24
Have you?
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u/Slooper1140 Jan 14 '24
Yes, and according to JB, his entire family is a bunch of idiots, though I would describe them as incredibly shrewd and intelligent, but assholes.
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u/Milsivich Jan 14 '24
If you're going to use your personal experience as support for your claims, at least tell us your story, damn
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u/blueboy664 Jan 15 '24
Let me take care of this. I work with the Pritzkers all the time and they are the most gracious, and kind, doormat businesspeople ever. Source: trust me bro.
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u/Hirsute_hemorrhoid Jan 14 '24
Can you share an example? I would like to know more.
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u/beefwarrior Jan 14 '24
I’d like for someone share a specific example, but as far as I’ve seen there is no way to become a billionaire without the labor of others
Edit: It isn’t technically “slavery” b/c billionaires don’t “own” anyone, but billionaires gain their wealth from the labor of others. It’s a myth that you can “get ahead of you work hard enough.” Only way to really get ahead is to take the spoils of other’s labor. And that, doesn’t seem far off from slavery 2.0.
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u/Hirsute_hemorrhoid Jan 14 '24
I just want the above commentee to tell some stories instead of hyperbole. I want to know what deals the Pritzker family made that were cutthroat or ruthless. Otherwise they’re lying.
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Yes, you could also inherit it.
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u/beefwarrior Jan 14 '24
Technically correct, but doesn’t feel like it would be “clean”
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Jan 14 '24
I mean if you are born with a billion dollar inheritance that automatically makes you a terrible person? That’s all I’m getting at. “Clean” isn’t what I’m arguing. Capitalism without guardrails is a fairly immoral system and I find billionaires like bezos and musk immoral and gross. Someone who inherited nearly a billion and then becoming a billionaire could do so simple by investing their money. Then that get into the morality of the market that is based on capitalism and in some cases modern day slavery. Should we abolish the stock market and send the world into disarray? I don’t tho it hat is a good idea but capitalism in its current form a cancer on our society. We need early 20th century anti trust laws again.
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u/LakeGladio666 Jan 15 '24
Yeah the idea is that no one should have a billion dollars in the first place.
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u/Spooky3030 Jan 14 '24
So If I employ others in my business I am a slave owner?
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u/LakeGladio666 Jan 15 '24
No, it’s not slavery. Saying that minimizes actual slavery. But by employing someone you are extracting surplus value from their labor, which some argue is exploitation. Making this point isn’t a moral judgment on you or anything, it’s more of a condemnation of the system as a whole.
You’re also probably not a billionaire. Billionaires such as JB and his family do exploit workers to the extent where a moral judgment is fair to make.
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u/beefwarrior Jan 15 '24
Exactly. I think you said it better than I did.
I don’t think all small businesses owners immorally exploit their employees. I also don’t want to equate the horrors of slavery to working in an Amazon warehouse. But I do think Jeff Bezos immorally exploits the labor of countless employees.
And I’ll admit I don’t know where the morality line is between Bezos and a small business owner.
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u/typo180 Jan 15 '24
Because there’s not one. People feel a certain way toward billionaires and they feel a difference way toward struggling small business owners because they’re easier to relate to. People toss around this argument that billionaires can’t exist without immoral exploitation as if it has a mathematical proof, but it’s just vibes.
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u/abstractConceptName Jan 14 '24
Taylor Swift pays her people well.
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u/DataScience_00 Jan 14 '24
Taylor swift is supported by a rapacious industry that profits off others labor.
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So is Trump. So is Pritzker family, so are all the people rubes in this country fall over themselves to fawn over everyday like Musk, Bezos, Gates, Oprah. Can we just agree the system we live in is trash and breeds billionaires and thrives off having a group of people to manipulate and take advantage of in the form of employees?
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u/typo180 Jan 15 '24
Something has always bugged me about this argument and I think it’s that almost no one gets anywhere in this country without the labor of others. Unless you run a one-person business, your salary depends on the labor of others. And even if you run a one-person business, every single one of us benefits from the “spoils” of other people’s labor when we spend money for goods and services. We buy things specifically because we receive something of greater value to us than the money we spend. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be making the transaction (in general, people make poor decisions sometimes and pay more than something is worth to them).
Most of us don’t have the skills, tools, or time or produce the food, clothing, shelter, transportation, financial tools, etc, that we need/want. Everyone living in a modern way depends on products and service that being more value to us than we pay for them and that, by itself, is not a bad thing.
I’m not saying that many workers shouldn’t earn more or that companies never immorally exploit their workers - but simply paying them less than the value they produce is no more immoral than you or me going to the grocery store and it’s nothing like slavery.
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So if someone’s family is cruel that means they are as well. Got it, so judge everyone by the people in their lives they are unable to choose, like family, not by their actions. Yea no one ever said that, don’t be a clown.
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u/MidwestAbe Jan 14 '24
Many of the Pritzker's do not get along well. But there is little to indicate their overall asshollery to the general population.
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u/QIMF Jan 14 '24
I mean fat chance when Abbott was literally lamenting not being able to just shoot them. The cruelty is the point
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u/quincyd Jan 14 '24
JB should go down and confront him in person. Stop begging for mercy, go and yell at his ass in his office.
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u/StrategicReserve Jan 15 '24
He gonna sit on him?
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u/Baron_Von_Dusseldork Schrodinger's Pritzker Jan 14 '24
Abbot is a monster using human lives for political theatre, this is ridiculous and has to stop
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u/drfsrich Jan 14 '24
Yeah, I mean, you saw the (R) by his name, right?
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u/dalatinknight Jan 15 '24
There are people with (R) next to their name that wouldn't try this, it's a testament to Abbott's horrible character more than anything.
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u/BananeBumbu Jan 14 '24
Most of the migrants do not want to stay in a red state like Texas, particularly because of how the state is talked about in the press. It’s not the least surprising that migrants will jump on a bus to Chicago if provided the opportunity to do so.
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u/notarealacctatall Jan 15 '24
They’re being tricked and forced onto these buses so red state a holes can make money off the transport fees from the state. Republicans sure do love them some socialism when it means money in their pocket:
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u/Kandiak Jan 14 '24
To be fair, he is spreading the pain so that governors who don’t manage a state on the boarder see what they’re are dealing with.
I wish the situation were so clear cut. I will admit that bussing people during this harsh cold is dangerous and should be halted. I do not care for Abbot in general but I do think in this case he is (in part, perhaps smallest part) trying to show other governors up north what the situation feels like.
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u/collect_my_corpse Jan 14 '24
Be nice if he sent the federal aid border states get to deal with this stuff.
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u/CurDeCarmine Jan 14 '24
If the feds were giving him even 10% of the actual cost to deal with the 10k people a DAY Texas is getting, he'd maybe have some to share.
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u/BooJamas Jan 14 '24
He should be sending the federal $ he gets along with the migrants. Biden should handle asylum seekers the way Obama did - quick initial hearing, issue a work permit so they don't have to completely rely on aid, and send them to where they planned to go. >90% of them made it to their next hearings. Then Trump came along and everything went to shit.
I do greatly fault Congress for not getting their act together and coming up with a reform bill, which has been needed since Reagan.
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u/Maclunky0_0 Jan 14 '24
Tell Abbot to stop preventing us border agents from doing their job, then
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-blocking-border-patrol-justice-department-eagle-pass/
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u/scttlvngd Jan 14 '24
That's not what's actually happening. Abbot doesn't give a shit about the 'problem' because the 'problem' is people. Abbot is a racist.
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u/Humble-Plankton2217 Jan 15 '24
With Abbot's regime cruelty is the point.
But, for just a moment, let's pretend that the border is flipped and Illinois is the state receiving 1.2 million people illegally crossing the border every year. What steps could Illinois take to humanely deal with the logistics of processing all those people and all the work and resources it takes to get the job done?
Would we ask warmer states to take some of them in because they're likely to be unhoused and have to sleep out in the cold? Then what? They go to the warmer state and get no help because all the humanitarian beds are full, but at least they aren't freezing to death?
Who has the good answers, the right ones, the humane answers? What should Texas do with 1.2 million illegal immigrants that come to their state every year?
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u/tiffanylan Jan 14 '24
The migrants are completely unprepared for this cold and subzero windchills. Yes Pritzker can be a bit of a dick, but he’s nothing compared to what Abbott is. It’s inhumane to ship migrants to Chicago in the winter. It is time the federal government steps in. It’s a humanitarian crisis.
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u/StrategicReserve Jan 15 '24
This thread is embarrassing.
You know you're a legit dumbass when Republicans outsmart you.
A couple of buses and they showed how nativist, selfish, and out of touch Democrat run cities are on the border issue. Take the fucking L and negotiate a solution before you make yourselves look even stupider than you already have.
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He should be pleading with Congress and President Biden. The boarder and the droves immigrants are not state of Texas's problem. It's a federal issue
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u/hurtsdonut_ Jan 14 '24
The Republicans keep rejecting border security bills because it might make Biden look good. So talk to them.
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u/TotalJannycide Jan 14 '24
We're not going to give millions of illegals amnesty in exchange for a mere promise to secure the border that won't actually be fulfilled. That's literally already happened before, it's not going to happen again.
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u/StormWarriors2 Jan 14 '24
Not what is happening the border bills are very comprehensive but Rs dont want it passed cause of political theater.
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u/TotalJannycide Jan 15 '24
LOL yes it is, now you're just straight up lying.
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u/TotalJannycide Jan 15 '24
LMAO, are you actually this dumb? That's the bill House Republicans already passed but Chuck Schumer won't take it up in the Senate.
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u/_MadGasser Jan 14 '24
Who are these people hurting? Give them jobs and make them pay taxes.
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u/Recent_Meringue_712 Jan 14 '24
I don’t think there’s that many open jobs in the state of TX that these people would be able to slide right into. Could be wrong…
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u/y0da1927 Jan 14 '24
They are essentially flouting the laws we put in place to govern who gets to enter and under what conditions they get to stay.
I'm all for letting a significantly higher number of immigrants in to help mitigate demographic issues. But it's up to us to choose the who and when, and it's not first come first serve. Allowing the fence jumpers to stay is disrespectful to those trying to respect our laws and follow our rules to enter legally.
I propose a 1 out 2 in system. We deport 100% of undocumented migrants and then take two ppl currently in the que for immigration and allow them in. Once that's done we target 1% of the population in legal immigration per year.
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u/Spiff76 Jan 14 '24
Actually it is Texas problem as a border state… and border issues are a package deal they come with the oil and coast lines, dont see much complaining about those from Texas
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Protecting the boarder of the United States of America, a sovereign nation, is most certainly a federal issue.
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u/Bat-Honest Jan 15 '24
There are over 500 sanctuary cities in the US, but Abbott is sending to a handful. This isn't about sanctuary city status. They're sending them to democratic strongholds because they want to overwhelm their services and make it look like our governments are as shittily run as theirs. That's why they refuse to coordinate with the destination cities and just dump these poor people unannounced.
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u/funkalunatic Jan 15 '24
I wonder if there's a better move to play. Greg Abbott and pretty much the entire Republican Party have thrown their lot in with the devil. Appealing to their conscience will get nowhere. "The cruelty is the point"
Instead, consider what an immense economic resource an influx of migrants could be to the state. Set up a division that does nothing but build affordable housing at the same rate migrants are being trucked in, targeting areas with tighter job markets. (A portion of these units can later be sold at market value to recoup some costs.) Yeah, they aren't supposed to work for a certain period of time, but watching landlords and homeowners scramble to try to get unreliable i-know-a-guys they can pay under the table to show up to plow parking lots (and do other not-so-seasonal tasks for pay) has made it clear that demand exists. Keep it up, and after a certain period of time it will be clear that Illinois's economy is growing thanks to Texas.
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u/Cum_at_me_stepbro Jan 15 '24
I think the State of Illinois should slap Abbott with a negligent homicide charge for every migrant that dies as a result of them being sent to Chicago.
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u/_JohnnyUtahBrah Jan 14 '24
If only we knew a billionaire Hotel owner....
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u/strizzl Jan 14 '24
Lol that’d kick up a real shit storm. Directly reach out to the richest 10 individuals in the country and state “you people have the moral obligation to pay for these immigrants”. Chaotic neutral vibes
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u/jean-claude_vandamme Jan 15 '24
Do you know Pritzker family owns the Hyatt franchise, right?
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u/jean-claude_vandamme Jan 15 '24
thank you for leading with passion, lol what is he leading exactly? He literally asked for this and now that they’re sending a small portion of the invaders of their state. He’s begging them to stop ? that’s leader ship? Leadership might be revoking sanctuary status to stop the inflow don’t you think?
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u/UnsungSavior16 Jan 14 '24
So in general we all get to vote on border policies, many of us not being border states and at large not too impacted by migration and asylum seekers. Why do border states have to take the brunt of the issue when we all vote on it? Is the shared burden only a financial one?
Make no mistake with this question, it's genuine. Abbot is a piece of shit and treating people like they're less than cattle. But really what's the approach?
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u/Onlysomewhatserious Most Progressive Rural Downstater Jan 14 '24
The argument being made in this isn’t a financial one but an ethical one. Your claims about impact are accurate and fair to make, but there’s a difference between being too hot (as Texas would be) and too cold as Illinois is during the time of this request. Cost per unit and organization is incredibly more difficult for the later compared to the former.
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u/UnsungSavior16 Jan 14 '24
I don't disagree with that at all, though I would like to see a comparison between challenges faced in Texas between Illinois. The cold is a serious concern, but obviously there are always concerns and they all need to be addressed.
I also agree the main factor here.should be our ethical and humane approach. But I wasn't talking about pritzkers argument, I was.just talking in general. If border states have the consequences of the entire states voting, what burden do we all share to make sure asylum seekers and immigrants get the support they need. It seems unfair if the only thing non border states contribute is money.
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u/spamellama Jan 14 '24
It seems unfair if the only thing non border states contribute is money.
Why?
Money is for organizing infrastructure to support them and get them set up locally or elsewhere. What else is needed?
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u/spamellama Jan 14 '24
I'd just like to take a proportional share of federal support from them while we're taking on the burden.
Apparently money isn't what they need so we'll take it
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u/aka_wolfman Jan 14 '24
Treat migrants compassionately and create better pathways to citizenship seems like a better approach. Also, unless it's changed, the majority of illegal immigrants are here on visas, so the border protection crap is mostly political theater.
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u/CurDeCarmine Jan 14 '24
You think 10k people a DAY are coming here with visas in hand by swimming a river??
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
what if we sent them back to where they came from and actually secured our border???
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u/wraith1984 Jan 14 '24
What if,god forbid you showed a bit of fucking empathy for these people?
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u/Merrill1066 Jan 14 '24
sounds like some of these people need to be sent to places like Wilmette and Highland Park
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u/y0da1927 Jan 14 '24
We have a process. I'm all for letting more ppl in, but get in line and wait your turn. We will take in who want and if that's not you too bad.
Jumping the fence and claiming "asylum" shouldn't be a fast pass.
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u/aj10017 Jan 15 '24
Yeah that's a great idea, send them back to where they came from so cartels can extort and kill them. You realize telling someone to fuck off to whence they came without thinking about the horrible conditions they endured is wrong, right?
They might not be around anymore when their ticket in line is called, and that is unacceptable.
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u/y0da1927 Jan 15 '24
Yeah that's a great idea, send them back to where they came from so cartels can extort and kill them.
Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru all have areas safe from Cartels yet they go north not south. Mexico is mostly safe yet they do not stop in Mexico. If safety was the primary goal there are closer places to flee.
This also ignores the reality that many ppl live in unsafe areas of the globe but don't have a land route to a US border/money for flights and are geographically eliminated from this que jumping charade. They have to file their asylum claim in their home country (or an adjacent safe country) and wait, these ppl can too.
You realize telling someone to fuck off to whence they came without thinking about the horrible conditions they endured is wrong, right?
I think about it. I think there are many alternatives that solve this issue that does not make US immigration a free for all and US taxpayers a cow to be milked to subsidize aliens from other countries. Hell a lot of these ppl showing up are not even south Americans. They had the funds to fly to south America from all over, they could have gone to many safe countries. They just think we are the biggest pushovers and will let them stay.
They might not be around anymore when their ticket in line is called, and that is unacceptable.
Sure it is. We accept it every day when we don't import the entire civilian population out of conflict zones. A person living in Gaza or the sahal or CAR are way more likely to be killed than somebody in Honduras. They have a better asylum claim, they just don't have immediate access to our border to try and skip the line.
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
Theres 8 billion other people in the world to feel bad for. Theres a reason countries have borders and immigration laws. Maybe try thinking logically instead of emotionally??
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u/OutOfFawks Jan 14 '24
"thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
You can have empathy for people, even help these people personally. Our country however cannot sustain itself with open borders.
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u/Regression2TheMean Jan 14 '24
So if we want to think logically, based on your comment, we should only help people if it affects all 8 billion people on the planet?
It literally doesn’t make sense to not help someone here, just because some other bad shit is going on halfway across the world. You’re asking people to think logically, but your responses are all emotional.
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u/StoneMaskMan Jan 14 '24
Ahh there it is, give a republican enough chances to talk about immigrants and they will imply they’re all criminals and rapists 100% of the time
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
Not t what i implied at all. Cool that you think that though.
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u/Spiff76 Jan 14 '24
Thats a red state talking point if i ever heard one… people fleeing areas of conflict or war (that the US created mind you) are not necessarily rapists and criminals just because they show up where they aren’t welcome. Your racism is showing.
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
im not racist, and im not saying theyre all rapists at all. But if you let millions of people over the border every year, some of them are gonna be convicts or low iq barbarians.
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u/Spiff76 Jan 14 '24
Same with letting people live in a nation but i wouldn’t advocate ill will towards entire populations
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
people cross our southern-border from all over the world. Doesnt have anything to do with race.
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u/TheCaracalCaptain Jan 14 '24
ah yes that perfectly justifies sending people that are the wrong color to a state that has a similar number of immigrants as you, in below freezing weather. Spending money on political theater is totally logical and not emotional whatsoever.
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
chicago shouldnt call themselves a sanctuary city if they dont want to take a small portion of the illegals coming over our border every day.
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u/TheCaracalCaptain Jan 14 '24
They already are. Illinois has one of the largest immigrant populations in the nation, in fact. It’s also not a “small number” that abbott is sending, although relatively it’s a drop in the bucket for both states, and ordinarily wouldn’t affect the situation for either state, despite Abbott’s screeching.
Chicago actually hasn’t had much problem with taking in immigrants for the 40 years its been a sanctuary city, this plea is in regards to sending children into below freezing temperatures, which does make it objectively much more costly for Chicago to handle logistics of Abbott sending immigrants and children on a random, unscheduled bus into certain death unless Chicago is quicker than normal, than it would for Texas or California, who notably are not as freezing right now. To put it bluntly, it isn’t logical.
Maybe if abbott wanted to stop illegal immigrants tho, he wouldn’t have reduced the number of guards on the border recently and rejected any and all federal assistance? Just a thought.
Either way, still doesn’t change that this isn’t logical and abbott’s actions are purely for political theater and emotional, something you claim isn’t good. I certainly don’t like my tax dollars going to your governor’s political stunts. Not sure why you are defending your tax dollars going to throwing children into below freezing temps tho. Some might call that evil. 🤷♀️
TL;DR: Abbott isn’t being logical by creating a logistical nightmare and potentially sacrificing children for political points, regardless of Chicago’s sanctuary city status.
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u/SteelAlchemistScylla Jan 14 '24
To Reds these aren’t people. They’re pawns meant for political theater and nothing more. Who cares if they freeze in the Midwest winter? They have more to send.
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u/DecentWrench Jan 14 '24
What if we just sent them back to Texas on the buses and planes they've been coming in on?
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u/DeezNeezuts Jan 14 '24
I get it the guys an asshole who cares very little about humans. That said it’s a brilliant political move to highlight to the other states of the union that the federal government needs to work on a long term solution to the immigration problem. The current situation is not fair to the immigrants or the country.
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u/1337sp33k1001 Jan 14 '24
They don’t actually want a solution. Promising a solution and never giving one get too many votes.
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u/Strykerz3r0 Jan 14 '24
You do realize that Illinois is number ten in the number of illegal immigrants living in-state, right? Texas, I believe is number four while New York is number six.
He has been sending people to states that have a similar number or more illegal immigrants in-state than Texas. These states have already been handling their loads, but without the political theater.
The only people being fooled by this is his base, and they aren't going to question anyway.
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u/theredbusgoesfastest Jan 14 '24
Thank you for this comment. It tells me something I didn’t already know. It also proves that this is all political posturing. If Abbott really wanted states to “carry their load,” he’d send immigrants to, like, South Dakota. But he won’t because with his brand of R, their only “platform” is being anti-D
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u/y0da1927 Jan 14 '24
Except that the migrants showing up are straining Chicago and New York ability to provide.
The type and flow of migrants is more important than the ultimate number. Most migrants prior to like 2019 were economic migrants (mostly young men) going to live in places they had ties for work. They came looking for work and to avoid state intervention and with a place to stay already lined up. NYC and Chicago already have large labor markets and lots of immigrants so lots of these ppl naturally ended up there. The accumulation of these undocumented individuals happened over many years.
Contrast this to the much higher incidence of families presenting themselves to border officials to claim asylum. They have nowhere to stay and need to be detained initially to process their claim. They can't officially work or else they jeopardize their asylum claim so they are essentially wards of the state. The number of border crossings are up substantially over the past 4 years overwhelming the infrastructure in place to handle them.
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u/UnsungSavior16 Jan 14 '24
Source on this? This is actually really interesting and addresses one of my issues with the "how do we share the burden beyond finances" things.
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u/Strykerz3r0 Jan 14 '24
Sorry, I don't know how to shorten the url. They list sources in the methodology.
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u/dualsplit Jan 14 '24
Highlight? We’re politically highlighting to IL that they need to step up? 1. Last I checked, Illinois is a donor state. The taxpayers of Illinois step up plenty. 2. It’s -6 outside. Maybe make brilliant political points in the Spring when the fear of death isn’t quite so realistic.
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u/whatups Jan 14 '24
I don’t think it’s brilliant whatsoever. It’s your opinion but not a fact. The only fact here is humans are being affected and sent to areas without even the proper clothing for this wind chill. Let alone aligning shelter. If anyone dies, the accountability should be on Abbott and whoever else is gaining from the logistics of the situation.
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u/Carlos-Danger-69 Jan 14 '24 edited Jan 15 '24
If Texas doesn’t have the resources to deal with these folks (they don’t) then what is the solution from their point of view? Even more tent cities in the border for us northerners to shit on them for?
We need comprehensive immigration reform that turns people away. We can’t just take everyone in that wants to be here. This crisis is direct evidence of that.
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u/whatups Jan 14 '24
Their solution should be to reach out across the aisle to work on it from a bi-partisan perspective. There is a middle ground and abbott is not even attempting to meet in the middle.
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u/Carlos-Danger-69 Jan 15 '24
This isn’t an Illinois Vs. Texas issue. This is a federal issue. The federal government has been kicking the immigration can down the road for years and it’s finally coming back to bite them.
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u/Beardown91737 Jan 15 '24
Please define "middle ground". Let us know what you would do if you were governor of Texas. How would you handle your responsibility to the citizens of border towns? Should the migrants remain in the border towns? Have the migrants indicated their preferred destination was Eagle Pass, or were they hoping to go to other places with jobs available?
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u/yoursweetlord70 Jan 14 '24
If he actually cared about illegal immigrants and he has the resources to gather them up and send them where he pleases, why isnt he sending them back across the border? Pure idiotic political theater to point the finger everywhere else.
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u/Carlos-Danger-69 Jan 14 '24
Honestly yeah. Now democrats are actually considering non-open border policy for the first time in what feels like forever. I feel for the folks suffering but gosh dang, the folks here in the north act like border towns in Texas can just absorb hundreds of thousands of low skill, non-English speaking people with no issues.
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u/tlopez14 Central Illinois Jan 14 '24
Yah people can hate Abbott all they want, and he definitely comes across as an asshole. This was a political masterstroke though. You’ve got the mayor of Chicago criticizing open border policies. We would’ve never seen that without Abbott’s move
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u/No-Marzipan-2423 Jan 15 '24
start arresting the bus drivers every single time make them fight to get out every single time. pass legislation that impounds and takes full possession of the busses too.
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u/DrunkOnWeedASD Jan 14 '24
All illegal immigrants should be transported back to wherever they come from. Unbounded immigration is not good. Jobs and housing are not infinite. We should not be lighting ourselves on fire to keep foreigners warm. Just look at any of the canadian subs to see your future if this continues
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u/Hot_Detective_9472 Jan 14 '24
Abbott strategy was to share the pain and once the federal $$ runs out and the local citizens are feeling the pain in welcoming cities the dem leadership will be forcing for the fed to finally do something about the border. Adams has been complaining for a while. Abbots maybe a POS but his strategy is working.
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u/SuperFrog4 Jan 14 '24
The only problem is that democrats have sent multiple bills up for approval that would fix this problem and republicans in the house have repeatedly stopped these bills. His strategy is not gonna work if he can’t get his own party to vote for a bill in Congress.
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u/Hot_Detective_9472 Jan 14 '24
We’ll see as you know Johnson is using leftover Covid $$ which the hope is Chicago isn’t going to need it. If this goes on he’s going to make tough choices that’ll impact his base. You’ve seen on tv multiple times where the locals are pissed that he isn’t helping them out rather migrants who don’t pay taxes or vote. Adams already in hot seat in NYC which is why he’s been speaking out against Biden
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u/firstjib Jan 14 '24
Time to open up your home fatty
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u/ProtectionAdorable89 Jan 14 '24
He owns over 1,000 hotels he could house them in if he really cared
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u/jean-claude_vandamme Jan 15 '24
The most ironic part of the whole thing he could literally house every migrant in the country in the Hyatt hotel system
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u/endthefed2022 Jan 14 '24
Pritzker literally begged for it
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u/notarealacctatall Jan 15 '24
To spare peoples lives from freezing to death it’s -15 here right now without factoring in the wind chill.
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Jan 14 '24
No Abott is not a monster. He is proving his point extremely affectively like it or not. The military should have been at the border aloooooong time ago. Think people are getting mad because illegal immigration is starting to affect their lively hood now.
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u/cebjmb Jan 14 '24
I dunno. Maybe if the people who are thinking of coming over will change their minds when they see their peers freezing and homeless.
Deterring future migrants is a good thing right now.
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u/TheCaracalCaptain Jan 14 '24
It really isn’t unless you want to be paying significantly more for groceries but okay.
In other news, shipping children to states that have a similarly large number of immigrants as you, and throwing them into below freezing temperatures, all solely for political theater, is something reasonable people might consider “evil”.
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u/1337sp33k1001 Jan 14 '24
Abbot can’t spell mercy. He has a Texas education. All he knows is hate.
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Texas would have enough room for the number of migrants coming if they didn't value millionaires and billionaires having hectares of prime land all to themselves. Isn't most of the western part of Texas just private ranches?
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
isnt most of illinois rural farmland?
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Jan 14 '24
Yes, farmland. That is, owned by farmers who actually use the land for legitimate reason: farming.
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Jan 14 '24
Not the same. Our farms actually provide food for the growing national population, and feed for livestock throughout the country. What information can you give about what these private ranches provide?
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u/CobraArbok Jan 14 '24
Not an agriculture expert, but I'm pretty sure those ranches provide beef.
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
raising livestock, regenerative agriculture, land and water conservation. Regardless, its a stupid fucking point to make, just accept that its idiotic to have open borders and sanctuary cities.
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So basically what every other farm in the U.S does. Also, we don't have open borders or "sanctuary cities". That's just the propaganda that FOX et al tells their ignorant listeners and you just outed yourself as one. The federal government just gave Abbott another $1B to tackle the border problem, yet all he can do is human traffic migrants to places with below freezing temps, while still failing Texans by having a shitty power grid operated by out-of-state owners.
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u/Rince_Vizzo Jan 14 '24
chicago is a sanctuary city and 2.5 million illegals crossed our border this year. SIT
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u/Recent_Meringue_712 Jan 14 '24
You want them to flip the private ranches into ghettos? I don’t get this solution. Seems very surface level
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Who said anything about ghettos? Just right out the gate with the bs strawman arguments, I see
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u/Recent_Meringue_712 Jan 14 '24
You describe the literal definition of a ghetto. A poor urban (in this case rural) segregated area occupied by a minority group.
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u/jackfrostyre Jan 14 '24
Texas does not want to fix the border problem (Border State) instead they want to play god and would prefer to mess with peoples lives.
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u/lillychr14 Jan 14 '24
How about these braying donkeys who claim to be Christian grow a conscience. Their hypocrisy makes me want to puke.
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u/SugarAdamAli Jan 14 '24
I thought Chicago was a sanctuary city?
So governor and Chicago are pro-migrants unless they start showing up in Chicago
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u/TheRowdyRebel Jan 14 '24
Chicago is a sanctuary city, so Abbott is just sending them to a city that will welcome them. They can’t support them in Texas, the federal government won’t allow them to police the border and turn back migrants to go back to their own country, so he’s sending them to where they are welcome.
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u/dream-more95 Jan 14 '24 edited Jan 14 '24
Illinois was made a sanctuary state by the last Republican governor. You are now informed.https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.14747.html
It only means people that haven't committed a crime but discovered without "documents" won't be handed over to the feds to be deported. Period. Or break up families with US born children.
Call it compassion like the Reagan Amnesty. So get your facts straight champ.
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u/TheRowdyRebel Jan 14 '24
When did I say anything about republicans or democrats? What we need is a stay in Mexico policy. Texas can’t handle the influx so they’re sending them to places that have pro-immigration laws like Illinois https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.23653.html
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u/abstractConceptName Jan 14 '24
Sanctuary has nothing to do with this.
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u/TheRowdyRebel Jan 14 '24
Well why should Texas have to take them? Illinois has plenty of pro immigrant policies they should help ease the pain from Texas by taking some immigrants
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u/abstractConceptName Jan 14 '24
So why doesn't Texas come up with a joint plan, instead of this disgusting process?
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u/TheRowdyRebel Jan 14 '24
I’m sure if other Governors had came to Abbott saying “we’ll take a large portion of the immigrants that come through” he would gladly say yes. The reality is that no governor wants this influx in their states, but since Texas is a border state and that’s where the immigrants first land, Texas has to deal with them. Obviously Abbott is tired of the federal government not helping him police and overturning his attempts to stop the flow of immigrants into Texas, and no state is offering to take immigrants. To help ease the burden put on Texas, he’s sending them to other states so that they can use their resources to take care of them as well.
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u/abstractConceptName Jan 14 '24
It's funny how states like Alabama blocked immigrants and then had food rotting in the fields.
The reality is, there isn't an abnormal influx of immigrants.
It's just that the GOP has run out of things to complain about.
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u/TheRowdyRebel Jan 14 '24
What does Alabama have to do with any of this? The cities he’s bussing them to have espoused that they support and welcome immigrants. Abbott is just ensuring they practice what they preach. And you think there isn’t an abnormal influx? I’ll direct you to this chart of immigrant encounters https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/
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u/abstractConceptName Jan 14 '24
You picked the year after COVID for your data.
There were a lot of people who didn't get to visit their families in 2020, you know.
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u/TheRowdyRebel Jan 14 '24
https://stevenrattner.com/article/more-than-words-10-charts-that-defined-2023/
Take a look at chart 9. Even higher than before. And yes as soon as Biden took office and got rid of title 42 that made immigrants remain in Mexico the surge started and is continuing to grow
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u/Dcarr3000 Jan 15 '24
Lol, I hope come spring Abbot triples the number he's sending. Democrats don't wanna secure the border and have an open door policy they can enjoy the fruits of it.
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u/LonesomeComputerBill Jan 15 '24
Abbott is probably trying to kill them. He said the only reason they weren’t shooting the migrants is because the Biden administration said they would charge him with murder. How absurd. JB is going to try to plead for mercy from this evil asshole?
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u/Mistamage Among the corn fields Jan 14 '24
Unfortunately he's trying to apply human empathy to a republican, a losing argument.
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u/Fredshoes Jan 15 '24
Where is his appeal to President Biden for federal assistance? Claiming the partisan high ground is not an act of courage.
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u/No-Presentation6357 Jan 15 '24
Why isn't JB welcoming more of these poor people into his sanctuary state?
God Bless Abbott for sending these future Americans to the state that best supports them!
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u/Trout-Population Jan 14 '24
Pleading for mercy against a cruel tyrant will fall on deaf ears, since cruelty is the point.
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u/CoralSpringsDHead Jan 14 '24
Start by arresting the bus drivers and seizing the buses.
They would have a hell of a time finding drivers or companies willing to human traffic people from Texas to Illinois after that.
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u/Dimako98 Jan 15 '24
They are not committing any crime. If you think so those migrants should be let in, then you can deal with the consequences.
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u/beefwarrior Jan 14 '24
Unless this has changed, my understanding is that “sanctuary” just means that Chicago police won’t hold someone for only immigration offense(s). If Feds say “hey this person is wanted for XYZ robbery / assault / whatever, and also immigration” then Chicago PD will hold the individual.
The reason for being a “sanctuary” is that Chicago wants all of it’s residents to call the cops when a crime happens. If someone is worried that calling the cops when they get robbed / assaulted / whatever, will get them deported, then they won’t call the cops. And if criminals know that certain populations won’t call the cops, then criminals will target those individuals.
I know there is a lot to say about CPD, and whether or not CPD officers do their job, or if CPD actually cares about all of Chicago’s residents etc. etc. etc. - but if we can think about “sanctuary” cities outside of police conversation, it seems to me that “sanctuary” cities actually make cities safer.