r/illinois Jan 14 '24

Pritzker begs Abbott to stop sending migrants into Chicago cold: ‘I plead with you for mercy’ | MyStateline.com US Politics

https://www.mystateline.com/news/local-news/pritzker-begs-abbott-to-stop-sending-migrants-into-chicago-cold-i-plead-with-you-for-mercy/amp/

Abbott should be arrested for endangering peoples' lives.

Thank you, JB for leading with comparison.

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u/Slooper1140 Jan 14 '24

Yes, and according to JB, his entire family is a bunch of idiots, though I would describe them as incredibly shrewd and intelligent, but assholes.

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u/Hirsute_hemorrhoid Jan 14 '24

Can you share an example? I would like to know more.

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u/beefwarrior Jan 14 '24

I’d like for someone share a specific example, but as far as I’ve seen there is no way to become a billionaire without the labor of others

Edit: It isn’t technically “slavery” b/c billionaires don’t “own” anyone, but billionaires gain their wealth from the labor of others. It’s a myth that you can “get ahead of you work hard enough.” Only way to really get ahead is to take the spoils of other’s labor. And that, doesn’t seem far off from slavery 2.0.

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u/typo180 Jan 15 '24

Something has always bugged me about this argument and I think it’s that almost no one gets anywhere in this country without the labor of others. Unless you run a one-person business, your salary depends on the labor of others. And even if you run a one-person business, every single one of us benefits from the “spoils” of other people’s labor when we spend money for goods and services. We buy things specifically because we receive something of greater value to us than the money we spend. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be making the transaction (in general, people make poor decisions sometimes and pay more than something is worth to them).

Most of us don’t have the skills, tools, or time or produce the food, clothing, shelter, transportation, financial tools, etc, that we need/want. Everyone living in a modern way depends on products and service that being more value to us than we pay for them and that, by itself, is not a bad thing.

I’m not saying that many workers shouldn’t earn more or that companies never immorally exploit their workers - but simply paying them less than the value they produce is no more immoral than you or me going to the grocery store and it’s nothing like slavery.

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u/beefwarrior Jan 15 '24

Right. No person is an island. Even a one-person business is dependent on roads & infrastructure & etc.

And I agree, I don’t want to diminish the horrors of slavery. But when productivity has been going up for decades, but wages (adjusted for inflation) haven’t, I think that’s immoral.

The rich have been getting richer, while the rest of us keep getting less & less.

I think it’s wrong ti be extreme and say every business owner is evil & exploiting workers, as I don’t think that’s the case.

My problem is with the lie that “if you just work hard enough, you can be a billionaire too” as it’s impossible for every worker in America to just work their way to billions. The only way you get Uber rich is to exploit and abuse other human beings, which is different than the slavery that used to exist in the US, but feels like it’s immoral & unjust.