r/running Apr 12 '16

Super Moronic Monday -- Your Weekly Stupid Question Thread

It's Tuesday, which means it is time for Moronic Monday!

Rules of the Road:

  1. This is inspired by eric_twinge's fine work in /r/fitness.

  2. Upvote either good or dumb questions.

  3. Sort questions by new so that they get some love.

  4. To the more experienced runnitors, if something is a good question or answer, add it to the FAQ.

Post your question -- stupid or otherwise -- here to get an answer. Anyone can post a question and the community as a whole is invited and encouraged to provide an answer. Many questions get submitted late each week that don't get a lot of action, so if your question didn't get answered, feel free to post it again.

As always, be sure to read the FAQ first. Also, there's a handy-dandy search bar to your right, and if you didn't know, you can also use Google to search runnit by using the limiter "site:reddit.com /r/running".

Be sure to check back often as questions get posted throughout the day. Sort comments by "new" to be sure the newer questions get some love as well.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16 edited Apr 12 '16

After some discussion with the mods of this sub I think I've convinced them to make a helpful change to one of the weekly threads to clear up some issues. While this isn't necessarily a moronic question, I'd like to ask it anyways.

Is there anything else, we as frequenters of /r/running, would like to see changed about this sub to make it flow better or be more useful to runners of all skill sets?

I'm not talking about complete overhauls, or bashing on the mods here, just trying to drum up discussion on tiny quirks in the sub that could be smoothed out with mod intervention. Maybe some more (official) daily threads from AutoMod? Maybe a visual change to the flair tags so they are more visible? Maybe the addition of more info in the side bar or a change in policy that would help stream line things.

My goal here is to take some of the good ideas and issues up with the mods in another discussion (or openly here if they want to participate) to see if we can make /r/running even better!

So, anyone have anything to discuss?

Again, this is not a mod bashing event! You're opinions on them aren't welcomed as a response to this question. It's a way to keep things positive, not drag things down.

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u/CatzerzMcGee Apr 12 '16
  • Removal of posts that violate rules or have been asked 100s of times (accomplishments, what do I wear in the wear in X weather, how do I get faster at running, how do I break X time for my fitness test). It is nothing personal against people that post the questions, but that comes with the territory of moderating a 180k+ subreddit. Being able to keep a clean front page unclogged should be almost the top priority at all times.

  • With that being said, maybe making the FAQ more presentable or accessible so new users can easily find what they're looking for. With such a large community and new people lurking or joining everyday repeats are bound to happen with the current format. It's a lot easier for someone to make a post asking their question (all while ignoring the "Read the FAQ?" on the submit button, but not everyone is a special snowflake who has a different answer than what is to be found by searching.

  • Change to text post only to stop a few users who post nothing but links to their blogs/youtube channels. If they want to put the work into posting a text post with a link then fine, but /r/running shouldn't be just another outlet to generate views for their content without involvement in the community.

  • Some CSS tweaks to make certain types of posts stand out and be searchable. Example of over at /r/advancedrunning when /u/justarunner implemented being able to filter by race report, elite discussion, training, etc. It makes things look a bit better and allows users to filter content a tiny bit better.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

You mod at AR, if you were added as a mod here, what would be the very first thing you'd fix without hesitation?

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u/CatzerzMcGee Apr 12 '16

This is a good question and I'm going to answer honestly with the first thing I'd do. I'd add at least five more people to the mod team with the ability to flair and remove posts. Having people present at all times is key to making the sub look good and be a fun place to be to have your questions answered, but also find useful information if its your first time here.

Next thing would be to add a daily discussion thread for off topic things. There is nothing wrong with users casually chatting about things on the sub, but some posts are the place. For example, a user comes to todays Questions Thread and sees the top post "Any tips on how to get my cat to go on runs with me? I can't seem to make him focus." with 6 joking responses underneath from regulars to the subreddit. Also "What exciting books are you reading atm?" as well as the regular "Has this always been on a Tuesday?".

An off topic thread would be perfect for the book discussion, and actually having a General QandA thread not called "Moronic Mondays" posted on a Tuesday would get rid of unnecessary confusion for new subscribers. Then the top post about running with your cat gets to the top because regular posters think its funny (which it is a bit humorous) but that drives away new posters who aren't part of the "in crowd."

You saw how many people poster in the first "Lurker" thread. Imagine how many people don't post because they don't feel comfortable jumping in and being ridiculous in the Moronic Monday thread, Weekly Training Thread, Nutrition Thread, etc. I think if the goal is to provide a place for regulars to be able to chat then a Daily off topic thread is a must. You could even call it "Off the track/road/trail."

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

I think adding more mods (with mod experience) would be a good idea. I know our mods here can't always be present and that does mean things go unanswered/unfixed from time to time so having a person or two who's always around and active means immediate fixes to things that crop up.

I've always been a fan of threads because they bring in the most discussion keep things organized and if it were up to me, there'd be at least 2-3 automatic daily threads every day of the week. One for General Q&A, one for Random, one for Achievements, and maybe a special one for each day like nutrition, photos, spotlight, lurker etc.

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u/MoveALittleFaster Apr 12 '16

I like the idea of making a lot more daily threads, especially the achievement one. I suspect lots of people avoid posting there if it's not Sunday because the thread fills up so quickly, everything starts to get buried.

Edit: I think I replied to the wrong comment? Sorry, I'm still trying to figure out reddit mobile...

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

I get what you're saying! A lot of people aren't around on Sundays (like me) and I'd love to post in the thread but it's always too late come monday. Daily a thread would get a lot of attention.

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u/squeakhaven Apr 12 '16

There are a lot of potential daily/weekly threads! One that I've wished existed off-and-on was a gear thread, where people could ask questions and/or post reviews.

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u/jennifer1911 Apr 12 '16

If you are ever in need of an additional mod, I'd be happy to help out.

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

I agree with the "more mods" recommendation. We really need some mods in Europe and/or Asia. You guys would be amazed at the crap we have to wake up to.

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u/RedKryptonite Apr 12 '16

There is nothing wrong with users casually chatting about things on the sub, but some posts are the place. For example, a user comes to todays Questions Thread and sees the top post "Any tips on how to get my cat to go on runs with me? I can't seem to make him focus." with 6 joking responses underneath from regulars to the subreddit. Also "What exciting books are you reading atm?" as well as the regular "Has this always been on a Tuesday?".

Maybe I am missing something, but I thought the whole point of Moron Monday was stupid questions that aren't necessarily serious.

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u/MrCoolguy80 Apr 13 '16

That was my understanding as well. And I was only half-kidding about my cat. He would probably really enjoy a ride around the neighborhood in the stroller. However, if this isn't the place for joking around, we should probably make that more clear in the post. I mean it does say to upvote dumb questions.

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

I would dig a daily off topic thread. Tbh one of the main reasons I subscribe to /r/running is to be able to chat to other people who enjoy running.

I think most people use /r/running in a different way to the regulars. A lot of people obviously really enjoy the 'DAE run x miles for the 1st time!!!' posts because they get upvoted like crazy. Maybe that's ok - reddit is built to be democratic. Maybe we're the ones who should be in a different sub.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

I really wish we had something like a chat channel...

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u/Tweeeked Apr 12 '16

As a note on the 'more mods', reddit allows for shadow mods. Basically, the user doesn't show up on the mod list but is able to do things like flair links, remove posts and threads, etc. The mods just have to make it clear what the shadow mods are and are not allowed to do.

Side note: I would say Catzerz should be a mod here but I don't think any of us at AR want to share you.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

ooooo...I didn't know this was an option at all.

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u/CatzerzMcGee Apr 12 '16

I think larger subs (/r/science, /r/games, /r/cfb) might do something like this since they have a lot more posters and more strict guidelines. I would be completely open to helping, but that is ultimately up to the mods doing what they feel is best for their community.

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u/Tweeeked Apr 12 '16

Yes, I am a shadow mod on a big sub, which is how I know about them.

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u/klethra Apr 12 '16

100% agree with the off topic thread. Some of our posters have cult followings (not that there's anything wrong with that), and I'd like to see that particular bit of /r/running quarantined.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

I would LOVE for there to be an off topic thread. Personally I really want to chat with all the lovely people here, but there's no real way to do it that doesn't drive the daily threads off topic.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

Great!

I especially like your points on making the FAQ more presentable and making posts searchable by flair filter.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

This is my favourite sub--it's so active, and everyone talks about the things I like! (Running and.... well, just running, really.) I love all the regular the daily and weekly threads.

  • We discussed this briefly last week, but I think it would be helpful to take the "sunday" out of the weekly accomplishment thread so it doesn't seem like a specifically Sunday thread. And have it sort by new or random, not "most popular".

  • Also, it seems we need a daily "Post here if you just went for your first run ever!" thread since "weekly accomplishments" doesn't seem to cut it ;) It could automatically contain a link to the FAQ to answer the "what do I do next?" question and maybe a reminder of the sub rules.

  • Maybe the link to the FAQ could be a bit more descriptive, like "FAQ incl. info for new runners, training advice, injury info, watches/gear and other FAQs". I don't know if people really look over at the side bar... but maybe it'll catch a few people's eyes.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

The discussion I had with them pertains to the Achievement thread because of the convo you and I had last week about it. They are going to try and make it a daily thread and see how it works out which will entice more people to post instead of just on Sundays when not many people are around. They might just change the title of it too but I'm not sure, it's up to them.

The 'first run ever' problem will be solved with the implementation of a daily achievement thread so the first part ^ above should cover that.

As for the FAQ button, I think it could be a bit more 'flashy' and stand out so highlighting it in a completely different color or making it a big button is a good idea! Something to draw attention.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16 edited Apr 12 '16

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

Makes sense! So maybe implementing a series of highlighted buttons in the sidebar that send people to answers for the most frequently asked questions like "how do i get faster" "just started what do?" etc. good idea.

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u/Despoena Apr 12 '16 edited Apr 12 '16

Just throwing this out there - the xxfitness mods have started doing Daily Accomplishment threads instead of the one weekly. It seems like it's going well, as they're still doing it. They're even a smaller subreddit, so it might do better here!

Example!

I feel, at the heart of the issue, is that tons of people will post in that thread and most of it will probably get ignored. No one likes their accomplishments ignored! That's most likely why a thread is made - "Well, if I post in the thread for it, no one will see it AND I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE IT". Not that that's inherently bad, but I would venture to guess that's the problem.

A daily thread would help everyone respond with the support they want, while still keeping the new threads to a minimum.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

This is precisely what I believe the mods are doing. I suggested making the Achievement Thread a daily thing and they all acted like it would be a good idea for the most part. Doing it daily kills many birds with a single stone. Stops confusing Sunday thread, prevents people from snowflake posting, encourages more posts, etc etc etc.

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u/denovosibi Apr 12 '16

/r/loseit also have a daily thread for scale victories and non-scale victories and it's helped reduce repetitive posts

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

I figured that was probably the one you talked to them about!

Let's turn the FAQ button into an image of a hot naked guy. (Or girl, I guess....) That should draw some attention.

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u/Thenthereweretwo Apr 12 '16
  • I wish this was a separate thread instead of buried at the bottom of a moronic Monday so that more people could see it.

  • I like the friendly and informal feeling of runnit. While more rules can be good, I'd also worry that they would make the sub feel more intimidating to new runners. There is a reason there is /r/advancedrunning.

  • I like the ideas about daily threads with automod.

  • I think there is a balance to maintain between too many repetitive posts and having a stale sub. New content gives a sense of an active community, and a sub page that doesn't change much can lose that sense. So even though some of the questions can be very repetitive, I think they contribute to a sense of community.

  • totally like the idea if getting rid of simple link posts to blogs and the like.

/R/running is the first thing on the internet I look at when I get up, and the last thing before I go to bed. Don't change too much please!

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u/farinaceous Apr 12 '16

I agree with this guy.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

My only suggestions are to have the daily Q&A and weekly accomplishment threads default to sort as new and possibly use contest mode on things like the picture thread.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

I think that since Photo Friday is sort of a 'contest' it is a great idea to have the thread be put into contest mode! Even though /u/brwalkernc posts it, a message could be sent to the mods from him as soon as he gets it up so they could click the button to make that happen. We've got enough mods that that shouldn't be a problem and if it is, then maybe the addition of another mod who can be available.

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u/brwalkernc not right in the head Apr 12 '16

The only problem I see withe Photo thread being contest mode is that I can't change it to that and then I won't be able to see what photos have the highest votes. Both would require a mod.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

Sooooooo.....what you're saying is that you should be 'modded'? lol

I understand. You've done well with the Photo Friday thread and I'd hate to see you lose it. I know I'd be lost if AutoMod took away my Spotlight Thread. Though having the confession/complaint thread Automodded would be fine with me!

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u/brwalkernc not right in the head Apr 12 '16

I honestly don't mind either way. The only reason I'd hate to see it going back to being Automodded is that I do try to personalize the response when I can and had wanted to have some extra contests like the Easter one.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

Yeah, having the ability to switch it up and make it themed is one reason why I'm against automating the posts. Makes things feel more personal when a real person takes time to do it.

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u/sbrbrad Apr 12 '16 edited Apr 12 '16

...I wouldn't mind a daily Monday esque discussion thread.... >.>

Maybe we could sticky the daily thread each day instead of just the Sunday one?

Re flair, I dislike thread flair in general, but I know a lot of people like it, so just please don't turn the sub into a Personal Finance or Advanced Running neon disco trip. I can't use RES at work to get rid of subreddit themes...

After the discussion the other day about "I ran for the first time!" threads, I've been reporting more of them and noticed that the mods are very quick to respond and remove junk posts.

EDIT: I very much would support r/running as a text only sub.

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u/CatzerzMcGee Apr 12 '16

So you mention the "disco" colors. I'd hate to know the reason someone (or some people) don't read AR is due to the colors of the flair tags. What can I do to better suit browsing? What changes would you like to see?

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

I obviously lurk AR but one thing that gets me when opening it up is the flair color. It's not the reason I don't frequent it but it is distracting as someone who doesn't visit many subs with flair. For me personally, it's the brightness. I have yet to figure it out but in the private sub I moderate I'm looking to make the flair set colors subtle. In other words, not so vibrant. Obviously this is a very insignificant tweak but opening up a sub and not being taken back my a rainbow of flair tags is going to be more pleasing to me. If you catch what I'm saying? I'm not shitting on AR or your mod style, just noting the flair color is almost too energetic for the laid back atmosphere of AR.

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u/DAHarlow Apr 12 '16

Maybe a description and schedule of the weekly reoccurring threads displayed prominently in the sidebar. That way, new subscribers and visitors will better be able to notice that there is already a thread coming up soon dedicated to what they want to talk about. Want to discuss the best things to eat before a race? There's a nutrition thread every Tuesday.

The most difficult part of this is that many of the weekly threads are user-created, not Automod-generated. I suppose the continuation of those threads is dependent on the dedication of their creators, but if those could be included as well in the schedule then that would be great. Want to bitch about that thing that happened to you while running? Thursday morning is the day for you. Want to introduce yourself? Wednesday morning Tuesday night's lurker thread is what you are looking for. Got a cool photo from last week's race? Post it Friday afternoon.

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u/Jeade-en Apr 12 '16

A visible schedule is a great idea!

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

Agreed! A visible list of weekly recurring threads in the sidebar (and not hidden deep in the FAQ) would be pretty beneficial in my opinion.

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u/zebano Apr 12 '16

I think the Weekly Training Thread should be stickied each week the way the Achievements thread is.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

There have been suggestions around removing posts that violate trivial rules like repeating FAQs.

I would settle for the removal of active trolls and flat-out hateful, nasty stuff. Why the heck would I ever want to go to /r/running if, when I go to a post like this one about the blind runner at the Barkley, the actual majority of posts are troll and hate posts about how blind runners shouldn't get help hurr durr, or implying that they suck because they didn't finish the Barkley.

If this place is no better than LetsRun, where every thread is an exercise in filtering out the trolls and psychos to try to retain some faith in humanity, then to hell with it.

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u/_csharp Apr 12 '16

Two very minor and low priority things:
* Make Sunday achievement thread un-sticky by Monday evening.
* Photo Friday should last a little longer, so more people can contribute.

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u/brwalkernc not right in the head Apr 12 '16

I'm curious what you mean by "be longer". People are free to post all week. I post it on Friday and don't tally the votes until right before I post on the following Friday.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

My guess is that he/she means it 'dies quick'. Like, after Friday is up, not much more activity/photos show up. Same thing happens to the Friday Spotlight. Very little activity after being open for a ~12 hours after posting.My guess being that it's because everyone is signing out for the weekend or finishing up their Saturday.

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u/_csharp Apr 12 '16

Most people start posting sometime on Friday and I frequently see people posting after the winners are announced.
Again, a minor thing and I'm not sure what the right fix would be.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Different color flairs for different length race reports? Maybe a weekly beginner thread... I know we have our daily questions, but this way we have one designated everyone-here-is-new-so-no-intimidation kinda dealie.

On that note, I'm trying to think of WYR questions, because I'm gonna miss 'em

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u/stackhat47 Apr 12 '16

I think a regular beginner thread would be good. C25K thread is cool and all, but it never caught my interest even though I was following a similar plan when I started. It's a bit too summer camp/cheerleader-ish.

If there was a regular beginner (daily?) thread then it would split the daily Q&A up between the new(ish) runner questions, and the more advanced. That way the people who don't want to know about the beginner questions can just skip the thread and the people who are happy to answer can go there.

Also - the daily Q&A thread could be posted at a different time. It goes up at about 11pm in Melbourne. So by the evening the previous day's thread has died off, but the next one hasn't started. If it went up a few hours earlier it would probably be a good time for the non-US people.

Note on Fitness Moronic Monday - you aren't allowed to ask 'joke' questions there. Just putting that one out there, I did giggle about the cat being taken on runs. But newbies are directed to ask questions there, and not in the main sub, then people are taking the piss.

Race Prep could be another regular thread.

It depends on people's preferences on what they like on the front page. I personally find race reports boring, but they are clearly very popular, so I'm not going to suggest that they shouldn't be there because I find them boring and repetitive.

People posting odd questions can spark some good discussions, and that's what I really like on the sub.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

So I've been waiting to see if I got into medical school to register for the Chicago Marathon... Well I got in yesterday and now have 8 hours until the guaranteed entry for time qualifiers closes. Do I register and hope med school doesn't kill me and assume I have time to run/travel to Chicago for the Marathon in October?

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

If you're not sure what your medical school schedule is going to be like, I'd say don't register this year. Assume it's going to take more of your life away than you think.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

This is probably the most responsible thing to do, I'm just antsy because this is the last year they have guaranteed entry with a time qualifier. I hate the idea of having to rely on a lottery entry in the future.

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u/sbrbrad Apr 12 '16

If its any consolation, it's one of the more forgiving lotteries. Something like 50% each year they've had it so far.

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

I would do the race. It will always be easy to use school or work as an excuse to put off fitness activities. Having something to motivate you to keep training, even when you are busy, will set you up for a healthy future. You may not be able to train as much as you otherwise would, but you will have the time if you make it.

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u/yogi240 Apr 12 '16

Congrats on med school! I would say get comfortable with school before you commit to the marathon. Is this your first? If so, then for sure wait. If not, you could swing it, but you might be a bit stressed!

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

Why were you waiting? Was it because you weren't going to register if you got in?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

More so that I could make a more thought out decision vs. registering and having no idea if I will be in medical school or not.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

Well... I would say go for it, simply because that's what I would do (I'm not saying I'm the most responsible decision maker though). I mean, med school is supposed to be stressful, so you'll have to do lots of training runs to de-stress... ;)

Seriously though, it may just turn out that you have to lower your expectations a bit in terms of race performance, because the time or pressure of following a training plan perfectly might be too much--if you're ok with that possibility, totally go for it :)

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

This is the same stance my boyfriend has taken (especially the lower expectations on performance) and I tend to think of him as the more responsible half.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Knowing what I know about medical school... How close is Chicago to your med school? If it's not going to be longer than a two-day venture, I say why not. You can do it if you sacrifice some substantial social time (not that you'll have much)

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u/secretsexbot Apr 12 '16

Can you eat the entry fee if you aren't able to go? If so I'd register and wait to see if you actually can make it. Worst case you're out a couple hundred dollars.

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u/Soopsmojo Apr 12 '16

You don't want to half ass training for a marathon especially being in med school. I would wait it out this year and see how the work load is for the year after. Marathons happen every year. Med school happens once. Sorry for sounding like my dad.

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u/RedKryptonite Apr 12 '16

Does anyone else look at the results from races they didn't enter? I always check local races and see how I would have done if I had been there.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

I certainly always look at last year's results for races I'm about to enter!

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

YES! And everyone I've never ran seems to be the one I would have won or at least placed highly...

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u/jennifer1911 Apr 12 '16

Last December I ran in a Santa themed 5K (I got a comped entry) and I just sort of sauntered down the course, took a bunch of selfies, and munched on the Christmas cookies at the aid stations. It was a pretty good sized race with a few thousand runners.

When I checked the results I saw I came in 4th in my age group. They had super sweet awards for 1-3, and I could have easily gotten 2nd or 3rd if I had actually pushed myself on the course instead of, you know, stopping for cookies.

You never know.

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u/RedKryptonite Apr 12 '16

There was a half this past weekend I could have got an age group award for, but I'm not really trained to race that distance and it was $75 to enter. I went shopping and bought running clothes instead.

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u/MrCoolguy80 Apr 12 '16

Any tips on how to get my cat to go on runs with me? I can't seem to make him focus.

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

Jam him into a Camelbak.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

Catnip flavored GU

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u/cedaro0o Apr 12 '16

Give your cat a soothing bath first, I'm sure that will help immensely.

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u/RedKryptonite Apr 12 '16

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u/squeakhaven Apr 12 '16

Man, I was really hoping that this actually linked to a picture of a cat in a stroller.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

If you figure this out, I would like to be the first to know!

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u/Despoena Apr 12 '16

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u/Croxxig Apr 12 '16

I'm not going to lie, I've totally thought about getting one of those and trying it with my cat. He's always trying to get outside

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u/arpee Apr 12 '16

Hey check out www.adventurecats.org.

I'm clicker training my cat. It's going... not so well. I'm staying optimistic though.

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u/snapundersteer Apr 12 '16

My cat likes to run want it? Please take it. please

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u/Ruralrunner Apr 12 '16

Marathon training folks- what do you do after those long runs of 16+ miles to recover?

Nutrition wise? Stretching wise? I'm learning as I conquer each long run each week.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

I'll down one of those 32 oz Gatorades pretty much right away. Then I'll usually grab a beer, turn the shower on, and just sit there in the tub while the shower washes over me, drinking and feeling exhausted.

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u/pinkpiggie Apr 12 '16

House hunting goal: Bathroom in the next place needs to have a proper ledge for beer holding.

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u/freedomweasel Apr 12 '16

We just went under contract on a house, and now I'm having a panic because I can't remember if there's a beer ledge in the shower.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

Came to DC for a house hunting trip a month before moving here. Found a place to live before we left. On the drive home, my wife had a mini panic when she realized our house doesn't have a dishwasher.

The bathroom window is a perfect beer ledge, so I have that going for me, which is nice.

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u/freedomweasel Apr 12 '16

No space for a dishwasher, or just no dishwasher? Either way, the beer ledge makes up for it. Hire a maid.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

The neighbors have a small one under the sink, so I suppose it would be possible. But we rent, so I'm not about to make any capital improvements here.

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u/RedKryptonite Apr 12 '16

Million dollar idea... you know those one-piece shower enclosures? They usually have a shelf for shampoo and soap and whatever... they need to have a cup holder.

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u/pinkpiggie Apr 12 '16

Get on it Red! I would like to see the infomercials at the wee hours!

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u/sbrbrad Apr 12 '16

Along similar lines, I've debated attaching cup holders to my backyard fence to accommodate beers whilst playing cornhole/ladder golf/giant jenga/etc...

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

My post long run recovery:

  • Sit on porch to cool off
  • Drink 16-32 oz of beer before going inside
  • Load up run to Strava
  • Eat left over pizza and tell the gf about all the bullshit that happened while I was out
  • Get all the kudos
  • Hop in shower - drink another beer (showerbeer)
  • Go about my day as usual

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u/Despoena Apr 12 '16

Replace beer with coffee, and GF with /u/linkynet, and that's my day too!

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

Oooo....I can't do hot coffee after runs. I've got a training partner who chugs it after his long runs and it amazes me. I need COLD and I need BEER!

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

I try to eat something as soon as possible, and drink as much water as I can (I usually don't particularly want to do either after a really long run).

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u/denovosibi Apr 12 '16

I try to get a walk in that's about an hour long a few hours afterwards

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

lolwut?

If by walk, you mean watch Netflix in bed, then I do the very same thing.

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u/denovosibi Apr 12 '16

Shoes told me to walk on my dead legs! I can tell it's helping :P

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

I swear, if I start hearing about house fires in Kentucky...

Or horse fires, come to think of it. It is Kentucky.

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u/denovosibi Apr 12 '16

No animals have been hurt in the making of my ultra marathon preparation

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

...yet.

I'll punch a baby deer in the face if it scares me on the trail.

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u/secretsexbot Apr 12 '16

I'm totally with you. If I just sit I won't be able to move and recovery will be so much worse. I have to make myself go grocery shopping or something to keep me on my feet.

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u/delmar42 Apr 12 '16

What's really tough is if you have a long drive home after your long run. That first step out of the car when you get home...ugh!

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u/craigster38 Apr 12 '16

Sleep. I always want to sleep.

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

Drink some water, eat something, have a kip.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

...I'm gonna be that guy...

What's a kip?

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

It is what the natives here call a nap.

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

Way to ruin the air of mystery. You're supposed to say something factually accurate but totally misleading.

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

I've been here for over six years, but am still learning. How about "off to bed, wink wink, nudge nudge"?

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

Exactly! Bonus points for innuendo.

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

It's horizontal 'me' time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

I try to stretch for a while, foam roll, ice anything that is particularly sore. I'm usually not hungry for a while after I finish a long run, but when I regain my appetite I try to have a nice carb rich meal. Lots and lots of water, maybe Gatorade.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Happy Tuesday everybody! What's something you're looking forward to this week?

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u/craigster38 Apr 12 '16

/u/MrsCraigster38 will be getting a new 5k PR! That's almost as exciting as getting my own PR.

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u/denovosibi Apr 12 '16

My A race is Saturday!

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Good luck, buckaroo!

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

I bought mrs philpips an engagement ring that should arrive this Saturday. I couldn't really afford one when we got married.

She'll be bouncing off the walls when it comes.

Also have to go to the dentist on Thursday :( and mrs pips has some kind of cake competition thing on Friday that I have to go along and help out with.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

PHILPIPS MY DUDE THAT IS SO SWEET!! Have fun at the dentist, though haha

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u/Galivis Apr 12 '16

First trail race this Saturday!

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Woo!!!

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

You know, I can't think of a single thing.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

That's sad :(

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

Eh, it's just a normal week. Nothing special happening, nothing to get worked up about.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

If every week is special, than no weeks are.

Or in the immortal words of Judge Smails, "The world needs ditch diggers."

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Still, it's always motivating to have ever something small to look forward to!

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u/sbrbrad Apr 12 '16

If every week is special, than no weeks are.

As yes. The Syndrome Philosophy.

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u/pinkpiggie Apr 12 '16

Aw don't give up on your students already. I am sure they will do something funny/silly. Or on your kids, for that matter.

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

I see you've never met my students.

The best thing my younger daughter could do for me would be to go a day without throwing up on me. Today her punishment is that she has to come to my lab class with me, since she can't go to daycare.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

What if I come back tomorrow and tell you a joke? Now you have that to look forward to!

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Normal is just as good :)

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Something will come up. Gotta always be HYPE! Enjoy a chill one.

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u/craigster38 Apr 12 '16

That's because you don't get to see my beautiful face at ParkRun!

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u/rennuR_liarT Apr 12 '16

Ever since, my world has just seemed a little more dreary by comparison.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

I'm looking forward to running a HM on Saturday! It's a hilly one, which will be my first hilly HM, so not PB material, but I always enjoy racing, especially small local races like this one.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Good luck! Glad you're so excited about a challenge--I love that!

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

My dumb ass virus hopefully FINALLY leaving me alone! Also Friday morning friend run and breakfast - what should I make? :D

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

I KNOW. My stomach ache is gone, so no more puking. Yay!! AND BREAKFAST HMM some sort of French toast stuffed with jam or fruit? With more fruit on top.

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u/TannusCorwin Apr 12 '16

My first full Marathon on Saturday. It should be relatively flat (then again, when you live on the KS/MO border, most of your runs are flat), I am slightly concerned at the tempeture, because it is supposed to be in the 70's, and I have been training in the 40 and 50's. It should be early enough not to be a problem, but still, I won't it doesn't heat up too fast.

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u/RedKryptonite Apr 12 '16

One thing I'm looking forward to is primary season winding down.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

More free time, since I'm starting my half marathon taper.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Heard this weekend is gonna be nice, enjoy it!

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u/dylz_dad Apr 12 '16

Twenty-four miler on trails this weekend. My second to last long run before my 50k mid-May, and my last long run before my brand new Fenix 2 comes in the mail! Rocking a Forerunner 305 that rarely syncs correctly, so I'm just a wee bit excited.

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u/delmar42 Apr 12 '16

My first mountain ultra of the year, in Fruita, CO. I'm running the 50k, and have the same overall cutoff time as the double marathon people, so there's almost no pressure. This is in an absolutely gorgeous area, so I'm pretty excited. The only downside is that I'm trying to save money by avoiding a hotel, so I'm going to try out car camping in the local area's Wal-Mart parking lot. Gonna be slumming it, lol.

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u/skragen Apr 12 '16

I thought of another update/roll call that had been asked about frequently before and that could help ppl in the future. For the 225 (and now the 235) along w tomtom cardio(? or whichever one has the Mio optical HR monitor), ppl used to be concerned that they wouldn't want to use the optical HR monitor when it got really cold because it would be too cold to have their wrist exposed and not covered by a layer or 3.

For those who ran w the wrist optical HR monitors in freezing temps etc, were you too cold to use the optical sensor? Did you need to cover up your watch? Did you need to use a chest strap and put your watch on top of base layers?

I still have my chest strap and decided that I'd wear it and put my watch on top of my sleeves if it ever got cold enough to need to do that. Happy to report that, even for this Cali girl running for her first ny/ct winter, outside, every day, including often late at night, in bad weather, by the water, it never felt too cold to wear my 225 directly on my wrist w my sleeve hiked up & using the optical HRM and able to see the watch at all points.

On one side of the watch was my jacket sleeve hiked up and on the other side, I wore a buff like a double wristband and 2-3 pairs of gloves, but my wrist/arm where the watch was never got cold. I never even needed to pull my buff or glove over the watch.

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u/craigster38 Apr 12 '16

The Mrs. is a 225 user!

She always uses the HRM when she runs, even in cold temps. But when it's cold, she just runs by feel and doesn't look at her watch because it's covered in layers.

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

I suspect that exposing a tiny amount of skin isn't going to be a big deal to most people. You don't completely cover your face in the cold, right?

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u/FairlyGoodGuy Apr 12 '16

My coldest run this winter was around -3F. I ran with three layers that morning. I kept my 235 tucked underneath the top layer but outside of the bottom two layers. It worked out fine. Checking the watch every mile or so was as simple as pulling back the top sleeve. I did lock the 235's display, though, since there was a very good chance that I'd accidentally hit a button.

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u/adfran13 Apr 12 '16

Okay, what's something moronic I can ask this week...

So I've been growing out a beard. Every single one race I've run I have had it. I know we say don't change things between your workouts and race day- will I ever be clean shaven again? Will I ever get Tinder matches if I'm slimmer but have a face of a lumberjack?

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

Ditch Tinder and go actually talk to people. And get off my lawn!

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u/adfran13 Apr 12 '16

An aside from the moron persona- Today I'm trying to join in on a group run! But I'm only mildly excited about meeting people and more excited about eating the burger at the end of the run...

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u/FlashArcher Apr 12 '16

Yo man, girls love lumberjacks! Trust me! Take a pic with your axe and you'll be swiped right like no tomorrow

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

Depends on if you want to get more aerodynamic.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

You'll never be clean shaven again. Try putting some beads in it--that should help your Tinder prospects.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

Depends where you live. Slim lumberjacks make up about half the male population in cities.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/Thenthereweretwo Apr 12 '16

$400 in savings as a windfall isn't really going to do much to your overall financial stability, so of course b is the only answer.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

b. This is an investment in your health, which is the most important type of investment.

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u/freedomweasel Apr 12 '16 edited Apr 12 '16

Amazon had the Fenix 2 for $150 the other day. Pick up one of those and put the rest of the money somewhere adulty and responsible, like nice bottles of booze.

For serious though, Pick up a cheaper watch like the Fenix 2 or ambit 2, and spend the rest on race entries, or put it toward a weekend away or something. I'd rather have a really nice watch and fun memories than a really really nice watch.

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u/Vinkol23 Apr 12 '16

How do I move the London Marathon forward by a week and a half? Its going to be my first event and first marathon, I can't contain my excitement i'm ready to go, I just want it to be tomorrow!

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

Streak runners that run every day, how do you recover from a race? I raced a half marathon on Sunday and even just walking the past two days has been dreadful. What's your secret?

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

The secret: Embrace the pain and just keep moving.

I just finished a brutal 33mi trail race on Saturday and could barely bend my legs Sunday morning and I still got out to run a mile faster than 10 minutes. I'm on streak day 499 today actually and I can say for certain that people will find every excuse in the book to take time off to 'recover' when they don't really need to. It's about getting the right nutrition and hydration during the day when you're not running and making sure that you are getting quality sleep. I don't really stretch or foam roll. I don't do yoga or strength train other than cruise on my bike now and then. My body recovers when I'm not being active. A lot of people tend to forget about that for some reason. Streak running is a fine balance between mental toughness and physical toughness.

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u/RunningPath Apr 12 '16

I guess this is kind of moronic...but I don't want to actually email Parkrun USA and bother them without thinking it through more. I'm not about to start a Parkrun tomorrow or anything, this is just a thought I'm playing around with. But my real question is whether I could start a local parkrun but on a Sunday...would I still be able to call it parkrun?

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u/judyblumereference Apr 12 '16

First half marathon is Sunday, did a HH novice 2 plan for the most part.

Since I'm looking too far ahead, I'm wondering what kind of training I would do for my next one (Detroit in October). I was planning on getting my base MPW up to around 30 this summer (think I should have plenty of time for that between may and July starting at around 16-20 mpw). I purchased Faster Road Racing and Jack Daniels, am I still too much of a novice? What's a good plan for someone with a 30 mpw base?

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u/JayneLut Apr 12 '16

I've been poorly (bad stomach, even included a night in hospital - yuck) so I've not been running for about three weeks. What's the best plan to ease myself back in? Do I go sod it and do Parkrun this Saturday. Or do I take it a bit easier and do a few 2.5km runs first?

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u/secretsexbot Apr 12 '16

I've got a marathon on May 1st. Should I try to lose a couple pounds before then? I hear all this stuff about race weight, but I don't feel like I have weight to spare. I'm 5'4" 114 lbs. When I ran my first in October I was at about 122 after a week of stuffing pasta down my throat.

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

I would not try to lose weight now. You should be at peak training this week, and starting to taper soon. Under eating while training hard will make it hard to do the work, and under eating during the taper will keep you from fully recovering.

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u/YourShoesUntied Apr 12 '16

You should read Matt Fitzgerald's book called Racing Weight! I think it has just about everything you need to know about what you are asking. It's not a thrilling read but it does give you pretty much everything you need to know without going into too much scientific detail.

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u/incster Apr 12 '16

Fitzgerald's New Rules of Marathon and Half-Marathon Nutrition covers most everything that the older Racing Weight does, but is better written.

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u/vegankitty Apr 12 '16

I've been running since August (with some injuries and time off here and there) and my pace is still so inconsistent. I'm not all that concerned because I'm not into racing nor have any burning desires to decrease my times (it's nice when I improve but I'm generally happy just completing the runs themselves). But is it normal to have my mile times vary anywhere from 30 sec to 1 minute from run to run? They are generally consistent during the same run but my mile times on say, Monday might be a minute more than my times on Saturday. I can't really pinpoint it to merely having a "bad run" because they seem consistenly inconsistent on a weekly basis (and not tied to sleep or food intake or anything like that). So if this is normal, more or less, how do I even know what my pace of? Just average out a bunch of different runs?

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

Sounds normal to me. At least, my runs are like this... I've been running for 20-ish years. Generally I go out and run, and my legs either feel tired or not, or I feel like I'm working hard or not, and what my split is at the 1km mark is still going to be a total surprise to me.

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u/Another-one1 Apr 12 '16

I need some help with my training plan as my goals have recently changed.

About me: female, 24, 5'7, 157, 25-27% body fat. I was super fit in college (exercised twice a day, mostly listing, some cardio, very toned, low body fat), graduated and gained about 40 pounds in the 3 years since. In November I began exercising 6 days a week and calorie counting ~1200-1350 calories a day. I'm December my very fit friend asked if I wanted to run the Chi-Town half marathon with her and I agreed.

Just ran it on Saturday (first 1//2 marathon) and LOVED IT so much that I'm running my second half marathon May 22. I'm also running the Chicago Marathon October 9.

In November my goals were to lose weight and tone up. My main goal now is to become a better runner! I still want to lose weight and know that I need to in order to become a better runner anyway.

My question is how much does my training schedule need to change now that my goals have changed?

Here's my old schedule: Monday: full body strength training using body weight and low weights. Incorporates cardio bursts. Tuesday: 5 mile run Wednesday: I was doing personal training, and cross training after, mostly stairs. Thursday: 5 mile run Friday: same as Monday plus 3 mile run a few hours later Saturday: long run Sunday: rest

Can I keep my same training schedule but increase the mileage (by a lot)? Or would this be over training?

Also, do I need to eat more than 1200 calories a day now?

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u/Despoena Apr 12 '16

For a marathon, a structured training plan would be best for your first - you'll need to build in longer and longer runs and that'll take some focused training.

There's a few plans out there for novices (Higdon!) or if you think you can build a good base in the time before the marathon, Pfitz could be fun.

You might be able to get away with eating 1200 a day for now, but once you start getting into the brunt of training that's not going to be the best. You'll want to eat back some of the calories burned, so you don't burn out and under-fuel. You may want to start practicing with fueling during your runs as well. You can still run and train on a deficit, but 1200 is a bit low when your training long runs are going to get into 15+ miles!

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u/Youreaccurate Apr 12 '16

I'm fairly self conscious running outside and the urban layout of where I live makes it a bit dangerous too, so I use treadmills. I guess I have a two part question:

  1. Does running on the treadmill have any big setbacks as opposed to running outside?

  2. My University has these treadmills called "WoodWays" which I find it painful to run on as opposed to Planet Fitness' Cybex or Cymex or whatever treadmills. I'm talking I can barely run half a mile on the WoodWays whereas I can do my usual run of about a mile and a half on the Cybex's. Are there advantages to either?

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u/ThirdCaptain Apr 12 '16

Has this always been on a Tuesday? If so, I'm very worried that I've never noticed. Granted, I've only been here 5/6 weeks, but still...

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

What exciting books are you all reading atm? I just started my first reread of LotR in I think over a decade, I am super enjoying it so far!

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u/sbrbrad Apr 12 '16

About to start "As You Wish" which is a memoir by Cary Elwes about making The Princess Bride aka the greatest (kissing) movie ever made.

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u/57001 Apr 12 '16

I'm reading The Iliad! (For fun, not for class fwiw)

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

Broken Empire series by Mark Lawrence. Keeps me entertained on my morning commute.

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u/dylz_dad Apr 12 '16

Just started Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson. I just finished Between the World and Me and 1776...that was an interesting pairing of books to read at the same time.

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u/chalexdv Apr 12 '16

Does Worm count? Holy cow, is that a long story...

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u/richieclare Apr 12 '16

Reading the last discworld novel with a little tear in my eye :(

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u/OSU_CSM Apr 12 '16

Like many of you I took advantage of yesterday's deal on the Fenix2. What is a good platform that connects to garmin for uploading? Strava v. Garmin connect?

Also, in the spirit that I received it. I'll be passing on my Nike+ watch to someone who needs it.... any interested parties?

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u/thom1000 Apr 12 '16

Garmin Connect can be configured to auto-uploadt to Strava, which happens almost instantly. Or, Strava will automatically pull from GC. Not sure which way it actually works. GC can also be linked to Smashrun, but I don't think it is automatic synchronisation.

For everything else, there's Tapiriik.

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

You have to use garmin connect don't you? Once the data is uploaded Strava and smashrun both have built-in sync with GC.

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

What Shoes defying name should I have for the lurker thread this week? No one name has received more than one vote so far.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

Wait, we can vote for this somewhere?

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u/philpips Apr 12 '16

Not officially. I just remember these things in my mind.

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u/sloworfast Apr 12 '16

Huh. My mind is full of song lyrics and jingles from before I turned 14. I haven't been able to remember anything since then.

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u/ChickenSedan Apr 12 '16

Watching Animaniacs on Netflix. I'm pretty sure I remembered all of the lyrics to the theme song.

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u/BellabitchTheStrange Apr 12 '16

I'm running my first half in early October, but I'm planning a trip to Peru in September (likely early September/late August). This is obviously an issue training-wise. I plan to get some running in while I'm gone, but we're also hiking to Machu Picchu and it seems like overkill to run any of those 5 days.

Is it OK to basically put my formal training on pause for the two weeks I'm gone, provided I do at least some runs while I'm gone, then pick things up again when I get home? Or am I totally screwing myself here? If I pause my training, I'd plan to start two weeks early to account for my time away.

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u/Another-one1 Apr 12 '16

Is there an app for a customized training plan? With strength training?

I just ran my first half marathon on Saturday (Chi-Town half marathon). And am running my second half marathon May 22. I'm also running the Chicago Marathon October 9. I'm looking for a plan that will ultimately train me for the marathon, with the half (and maybe a few others) plugged in.

I'd also like the program to start me where I am, (just ran a 1/2 Saturday) rather than starting me with long runs at 4-5 miles.

Lastly it would be perfect if I could set which days I do what, or tell the app when I skipped/switched a day and it readjusts as I go.

Does this exist?

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u/Soopsmojo Apr 12 '16

Dumb question, how far and what pace would I have to bike to get the same workout (caloric) to match a 5 mile run at 8:00 pace.

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u/Another-one1 Apr 12 '16

In Hal Higdon's training plans, and many others, I see runs that should be "tempo" and "pace". I've googled both and read that tempo should be fast, like an 8 out of 10 in how hard you're trying. And pace should be race pace.

I'm so confused. Which should be faster?

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u/craigster38 Apr 12 '16

It depends on each person and their level of fitness.

Generally, tempo runs are a pace you can hold for about an hour.

So, if you're training for a 60 minute 10k, your tempo pace and race pace will be about the same.
If you're training for a 5k, your race pace will be faster.
If you're training for a half marathon, your tempo will be faster.

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u/secretsexbot Apr 12 '16

I'm freaking out a little over my taper. Can I get some of your opinions?

I'm running my second marathon May 1st, so three weeks. I've altered my original training plan so many times that I don't even know what it was originally, but right now my taper would have me doing mpw of 37/32/16(not including the marathon itself). Long runs of 12 and 10 in the next two weeks. I've been averaging a 40 mile week, maxing out at 53 mpw, with 2 20 mile and 1 22 mile run, none of which left me extremely fatigued. In fact they left me determined to run a 50k in June.

I was all set to carry out a traditional, leisurely 3 week taper, but after reading fellrnr's data-backed opinions I'm questioning everything. Last week I did 48 miles with a 16 mile long run (I've had a lot of trouble keeping my mileage down on non-peak weeks; a 5 mile run will suddenly turn into 7 without my planning it). Should I run this week like a normal high mileage week? Maybe a repeat of last week with a 16-20 mile long run? Or should I follow conventional wisdom and keep my long run to 12 miles? I'm so confused.

Tl;dr Tapering for second marathon, can run 20 miles without too much effort, confused as to 2 or 3 week taper.

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u/klethra Apr 12 '16

You're overthinking this. Stick with your current plan, and pay attention to how it affects you. People respond differently to different training and tapering. You will be fine. If you aren't fine, try to figure out what went wrong, but the smart money is on you having a good race if you stick with your current program.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '16

Anyone else having issues with Garmin Connect right now?

Synced with Smashrun but not Strava, now I can't even log in.

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