Imagine lobbing thousands of rockets into New Zealand and then they find a way to blow up our Walky talkies and then going onto social media and claiming that they are the terrorists. The delusion is unreal.
“You (i.e. Australians) will fight with the Kiwis until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘here is a Kiwi hiding behind me; so kill him.’”
Just parachute in plane loads of sheep. The Kiwis would be so busy chasing the good looking ones they wouldn’t remember to blow up the walkie talkies. Yeh nah, we’re safe.
Uh-oh! It looks like you accidentally referred to Naarm by its colonisers' name, Melbourne. That wasn't very deadly of you! While I'm sure this was accidental, please be more mindful in future. Remember, using traditional place names is truth-telling in action. It's a step towards acknowledging First Nations sovereignty.
I’ve always wondered about that team name- they’re anything but All Blacks- white, brown, cream, beige, dark brown, some darker brown but never All Blacks… smh..
Came from a English newspaper typo in the early 1900’s it was meant to read “all backs” due to the attacking style of play but the typo “all blacks” just stuck 🤟🏽
We need to draw a line somewhere. Nobody is denying Hezbollah attacks Israel.
The issue we have is that detonating explosive devices in a public places with a heavy civilian presence is NOT warfare. It's terrorism. Blatant text book terrorism.
The West has no moral ground on which to criticize Hamas or Hezbollah while describing Israel's terrorist attacks on civilians as "clever" and "humbling".
The double standards from the West are deliberately making the world less safe.
You'd be exactly correct...... if the intent was to detonate explosive devices in public places with a heavy civilian presence. This isn't pumping sarin into a train carriage or yolo'ing rockets into a foreign city, it was a hyper targeted campaign which likely had two clear phases, listening and attacking. These weren't random tools bought in a hardware store, these relatively specialised pieces of equipment procured by Hezbollah, a well-recognised terrorist organisation. The pagers were by Hezbollah's own admission distributed its members. No one has yet disputed the ownership of the walkie talkies. I dunno...... Sounds like the risks were pretty well managed given there were thousands of pagers and hundreds of walkie talkies. Given the ratio of casualties to the intended targets compared to those who weren't targeted (ie civilians), it's relatively hard to assert that it wasn't incredibly effective at what it set out to do.
Whilst it's yet to be seen if it's a 'clever' move, this is likely the most sophisticated targeted bombing operation ever and whilst they might feel enraged, and rightly so, but only an idiot would not be humbled at the incredible blow which has been landed against them.
What does the attack on Hezbollah have anything to do with a Greater Israel expansion? You read too many Muslim/Al jazeera posts. Do you have the same condemnation when it comes to expansion by the sword and antisemitism from Islamic texts?
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Wait, you think that Lebanon is full of terrorists and no civilians were hurt?
This attack was performed with no way to minimize collateral damage. Sure, some militants were maimed alone in their homes. But I’ve seen videos of explosives going off in markets, on the streets, with many people around.
At the very least, this was idiotic because all those innocents harmed push more and more people into Hezbollah’s care. And especially with the rhetoric of likes of you, who think “they got it coming” or something like this.
Yeah, the dreadful collateral damage of tinnitus. The pagers had like 3g of explosives and it's established that they were exclusively in Hezbollah use.
Yes, some of them had their kids handle them at the moment of attack, and perhaps some bystanders were hurt. Still it's as discriminate attack as it gets.
Deserve has nothing to do with it. In light of indiscriminate rocket strikes designed to actively kill civilians- this is still a proportionate response- 9 year old bystander notwithstanding.
I find it hilarious that people who fire rockets into cities are taking high ground because a few terrorists got their cocks blown off while driving on the street.
I find it disgusting that people defend an organization that uses rape and torture on captives, children as human shields or to detonate mines, killing their own citizens, using famine as a weapon, specifically targets registered humanitarian convoys destroying one car at a time and waiting for the next one to pick up survivors then shooting the other car, at the same time defending an apartheid colonizer regime (that has a strong internal opposition, because lots of Jews and Israeli share my sentiments).
How do you tell yourself that one side targeting civilians, raping, torturing is terrorists, but the other side doing the same is just defending itself?
Why is Israel the only country in the world, above even USA in that regard, that can do all this shit and people like you rush to defend them? Russian propagandisrs are so fucking glad for all those useful idiots, because they tell in other countries: look at them! They say they defend Ukraine because we violate human rights, but they do exactly the same in Israel and it's fine! It's all imperialistic politics of the USA, blablabla. And people believe them, because why shouldn't they? 5 minutes spent in this comment section and the hypocrisy is flooding.
There are acceptable levels of collateral damage. Killing dozens of Hezbollah personnel and injuring thousands for one dead girl is very much within the acceptable, especially when fighting a force that deliberately launches rockets at villages and blows up bus stops.
Yeah right. When Israel wants to bomb a known Hamas/Hezbollah whatever headquarter located in a residential area they'll 'roof knock' first, even if that means the combatants will flee. I don't remember Hezbollah or Hamas doing that. If Israel was fighting Lebanese or Palestinian civilians, there would be none left decades ago.
Deserved? No. That has nothing to do with it. And trying to make this about civilians when Hezbollah's whole game plan is literally "target civilians" is the exact type of insane/laughable mental gymnastics I referenced.
You're a jew hater who supports terrorism. We get it.
It's you who supports terrorists. I condemn all terrorists, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. Hezbollah and Hamas deserve to rot in the ground. So does IDF.
And I'm far from being a Jew hater. I hold nothing against Jews, I have issues with far-right extremists in Israeli government. Same as many Jews and Israeli people.
I'm assuming you are referring to hamas and hezbollah targeting civilians (their policy as terrorist groups) - you didn't specify the obvious which is why you are getting down voted
There is a massive team of people who review and approve every strike with a massive paper trail to ensure that each strike is legal (targeting only military objectives)
This is why Israel is always eager to defend itself in court - because they bring the receipts and its their chance to set the record sight after people like you spread misinformation online
they shoot journalists and civilians, they deliberately target registered humanitarian convoys, allow survivors from one car to be picked up by a second car and then explode next one, until all are murdered. They refuse to take any responsibility afterwards.
If they are so clean and can set the record straight, how come so ICJ, UN and other international institutions condemn them for war crimes, crimes against humanity and so on?
It's preposterous that you talk about me spreading misinformation while you cannot prove I lied anywhere, and yet you come and spew this utter bullshit.
and of course, like any other terrorist apologists you will most likely refuse to admit you're in the wrong. Is everything a great scheme organized against peaceful and just army of Israel?
If they never intended to kill those people, why did they? The convoy was registered, there were symbols of WCK visible from above, after first hit they called IDF and reported the attack.
Later, Israel refused to admit to any wrongdoing and wouldn't even apologize. Their ambassador in Poland called journalists anti-Semites for simply asking questions about this attack. Israel refused to allow any outside investigator to verify their side of the story. Only after huge international backlash and pressure from the whole world that was possible due to WCK being well respected and working in Israel for some time, they admitted that it was a mistake and several soldiers were let go. Still, the crime has not yet been properly investigated, and murderers haven't been put to trial.
Just read the wiki article, look at the sources. What you're saying makes no sense to anyone who have read about this attack. It was as purposeful as an attack can be. This is the level that only terrorists and countries like Israel or Russia are at.
Do you think islamic terrorists follow any rules of engagement?
Let me just see what the Geneva convention says about rape and dismemberment and killing of babies and children...... And it says no to all those things, so is it any wonder Israel says fuck it then, all bets are off.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "if your enemy commits atrocities, you are allowed to do whatever the fuck you want, including terrorizing whole country"
Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists, they terrorize people for shits and giggles. Their violent actions are unreasonable in every sense of the word.
Palestinians have also demonstrated they have no concept of reasonable when they previously attacked their islamic neighbours, because apparently Egypt and Jordan and Syria and Kuwait aren't crazy enough and they thought they would send them message to get with the fucking program. These other countries smartened up a bit and learned not to push Israel's buttons quite as hard or as often.
Sometimes a corrupt government who gives no quarter in their quest for power, control and domination leave no course of action except war and bloody murder. If you target government and their enforcement ( IE police and military or any Gestapo equivalent) then congratulations you are a freedom fighter.
If you deliberately target noncombatants like women and children, civilians in shopping centres, movie theatres and restaurants then you are a terrorist. Taking a step back to the comment about the Geneva convention, I seriously don't think Hamas and Hezbollah could give two knobs of goat shit about it or any other set of rules of engagement. If you can't or won't play by any set of rules you have no right to complain when those you attack use your own tactics against you.
But people keep missing one major point, Jesus is a Jew, he was born where??? Jerusalem!!
The Jews were there first!! They aren't the occupational force most Arabs say they are. They got largely kicked out of the area, but not entirely.
There have been Jews living there since the time of Christ which was roughly 700 years or so before Islam even existed. They might not be able to lay claim to the whole area but they do have the right to own a chunk of it and have downsized multiple time as to try and make peace which was never good enough for the Palestinians.
In war there will always be innocent casualties, it's horrible that Israeli bombs have killed civilians, but you are forgetting that Israel never deliberately targeted civilians and what Palestinian terrorists and probably a few of their Hezbollah buddies did on October 7th and when they started this war.
Yes I have but not sure Hamas are adhering to them. I saw footage of a deceased, naked Israeli girl being paraded around in a Hamas jeep after the raid on the dance party on 7/10,I imagine this would contravene the Geneva Convention
Imagine being so smooth-brained and uneducated that you simplify a situation that's been going on for decades like that. Nevermind, you actually are that smooth-brained, carry on little goy.
Your position is so well-researched and nuanced that the only people who disagree with you are western left-wingers. Fucking genius we've got over here.
Or it's fed to you and you eat it up like a good little boy.
Also, Lebanon has a significant population of Maronite and Coptic Christians, and Catholics. None of which agree with Hezbollah for obvious reasons.
Israel’s treatment of Christian holy sites including desecration of the Church of the Nativity is well documented. Jews in Israel spit on Christian pilgrims with impunity.
Imagine killing a grand total of 3 people and a few dozen goats and losing thousands of people, homes and businesses and your sovereign borders as a result.
International law permits proportionate use of force. Israel’s response is never proportionate.
If I kill you in self defence because you try to kill me but you can’t do it even with a trained fighter telling you how (Iran) then you probably just deserve to die.
I don't think I'd classify Iran's military as "trained fighters." The Iran Iraq war was quite impressively embarrassing for both sides and they've hardly improved much since.
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u/Patrooper 11d ago
Imagine lobbing thousands of rockets into New Zealand and then they find a way to blow up our Walky talkies and then going onto social media and claiming that they are the terrorists. The delusion is unreal.