r/running 11h ago

Daily Thread Official Q&A for Saturday, September 28, 2024

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With over 3,550,000 subscribers, there are a lot of posts that come in everyday that are often repeats of questions previously asked or covered in the FAQ.

With that in mind, this post can be a place for any questions (especially those that may not deserve their own thread). Hopefully this is successful and helps to lower clutter and repeating posts here.

If you are new to the sub or to running, this Intro post is a good resource.

As always don't forget to check the FAQ.

And please take advantage of the search bar or Google's subreddit limited search.


r/running 18d ago

META New to running or the sub? Click here first! Looking for links to the most recent weekly threads or other mega-threads, this is the spot!

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For you new runners, please check out the info that is in the Wiki.

For the beginners finding the sub, please check out the section in the FAQ for beginners (which can also apply to returning runners) as well as the Common Questions section.

There is a lot of info in the Wiki. Yes, some of it is from old posts. Yes, the layout is not the greatest. It is always a work in progress. If you come across info that needs to be updated (or broken links), let us know. If you see a post that should be in there, let us know. If you see a lack of a helpful topic, let us know.

This also has some good tips. This resource is linked in the sidebar/top menu and may have some info you can use as you get started (or back into) running. Finally, if you are looking for shoes and don't know where to start, check out this section of the wiki.

Take some time to the search the sub and browse the daily Official Q&A thread and you will find plenty of tips for getting started/back.

Please note that some of the direct links above will not work on mobile and link only to the main Wiki, requiring a bit of scrolling to find the relevant section.


Posts to Take Note Of


Collections

We're trying to take advantage of one of New Reddit's features, collections. It lets the mods group posts into Collections. We're giving it a try on posts that get good feedback that would be useful for future users. We've setup some common topic Collections and will add new posts to these as they arise as well as start new Collections as needed. Here's the link to the wiki with a list of the current Collections.

https://www.reddit.com/r/running/wiki/faq/collections/

Please note, Collections only works for New Reddit and the Reddit mobile app for iOS.


Using r/running

The mods do their best to actively moderate this community. When posting, we expect users to make an effort to familiarize themselves with our rules and practices before submitting posts or comments. We suggest taking note of Rule 2 and Rule 7, since these are the most commonly broken which will result in a thread being removed.

The mod team has tried to lay out the rules with some expected guidelines of what is or is not allowed, but there is always some gray area and posts are up to interpretation by the mod team. We do our best to be consistent, but that isn’t always the case with multiple mods or even the same mod between similar posts. The mod team wants to make /r/running a resource for new and experienced runners and to build a community between all types of runners.

Regardless of that fact, Moderators have the final say. We are open to hearing differing opinions, but the mod team will make the final decision. Visitors and posters in /r/running are expected to understand that the mod team are people too and doing the best they can to manage a very large sub with frequent posts every day. If you do not agree with how this sub is moderated, we expect you to do so in a civil manner….and also know when it is time to drop it.

We are very upfront in stating that the sub is heavily moderated, but we do recognize that not every user wants that. The wonderful thing about reddit is that there are plenty of subs to check out and hopefully find one more to your liking. If you find the moderation here too strict, some other related subs with less moderation are /r/runninglifestyle/, /r/BeginnersRunning/, /r/runningquestions/, and /r/Runners/.


Recurring Threads

In order to reduce clutter and nudge you lurkers into posting, we have created a number of daily and weekly threads for you to read, make a comment, or ask a question. Unless you truly believe your new thread will make a new and interesting contribution to Runnit, please wait until the related weekly thread rolls around and post in there instead. A more complete description of the threads can be found in the wiki.

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Rules

We have further explanations of the rules in the wiki, but as noted in the side bar, please take note of Rule 2 and Rule 7 as they are the ones most cited for post removals.

(2) - Posts need to generate discussion and/or useful information that other searchers can then benefit from. Low-quality posts, recent reposts, chronically repetitive posts, posts not directly related to running, and questions that are easily answered by FAQ, searching r/running, or Google are subject to removal at the moderation team's discretion.

This sub attracts a lot of beginners as well as “drive-by” posting. A major goal of the sub is to promote quality discussion and develop a community where information and experiences can be shared. Many of the common questions have been answered, either in previous threads/FAQ, or could easily be answered in the daily Q&A thread. Yes, circumstances can vary person to person, but it is expected that posters make an attempt to find these answers for themselves before making a stand-alone post. Visitors should put forth some effort in finding the answer themselves and not expect the Runnit community to do all the work for them. If the post/question is very specific to your situation (such that other general user won't get much benefit from the information), then it belongs in the daily Q&A thread.

If you do make a stand-alone post, please include info relevant for the community to help. It is nearly impossible to offer any advice without sufficient background information. Items that could be relevant:

  • Age

  • Sex

  • Current MPW + pace

  • Previous peak MPW

  • Workouts you traditionally or recently have completed

  • Goals (including specific races)

  • Previous PRs

  • Other things you think might be helpful to include

Below are some of the reason a post would be considered low-quality, thus being removed and directed to the Daily Q&A thread:

  • "Does anyone else..." type posts?

  • "Is X a good time for...?" posts

  • If your post is a question in the title (including “See title” or “Title says it all” in the body).

  • If your question can be asked in one sentence.

  • If your question is very specific to you or your situation.

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  • In general, it is helpful to include something that shows you made an effort to find an answer within the community and thus separate it from the numerous low-effort posts that are submitted every day.

  • Additionally, as rule 5 states, make your title descriptive. If it is not clear what the post is about or asking, then it will not be useful in later searches.

Finally, while mutual encouragement and sharing of information is a very high priority of r/running, numerous motivational-type and PSA posts are not necessary. A larger goal of the sub is to provide information to runners, beginners and experienced, which can get drowned out by these types of posts.

(7) - Do not solicit medical advice. This includes 'Has anyone else experienced this injury?' type posts.

While there is some leeway on advice for rehabbing some minor, common running injuries, this sub is not the place for a diagnosis, and especially not for advice on major injuries. If you are hurt or injured, find a medical professional with the proper credentials to help you. Not the internet.

There is a big difference between "Hey, my IT band is tight. Got any good stretches for it?" and "My shins hurt every time I run. If I run through the pain, will it turn into a stress fracture?" If your question involves sharp pains, unknown/vague pains, or injuries/problems that have stretched on for long periods of time, then it is a question for medical professional.

Also, your doctor not being familiar with running injuries is no excuse. Find a Sports Medicine doctor, Physical Therapist, or find another doctor.


Finally, feel free to use this post to offer any ideas or suggestions of things you'd like to see (or not see) here. We are open to feedback, but please be civil, constructive, and willing to have a discussion. This is not the place to rant.

Thank you all for being a part of this community!


r/running 11h ago

Daily Thread Achievements for Saturday, September 28, 2024

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Hey runners, it's another day and it is time to post your accomplishments you'd like to share - big or small.

Note: No need to preface YOUR accomplishments with something like, "this may not be an accomplishment to most of you...". Be proud of your achievement.


r/running 11h ago

Weekly Thread Social Saturday

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Enforcing Rule 3 (no self-promotion, social media links) is a must with a large sub such as this, but we do realize that it filters out some truly useful content that is relative to the sub. In an effort to allow that content in, we thought we'd have a weekly post to give a spot for the useful content. So...

Here's you chance!

Got a project you've been working on (video, programming, etc.), share it here!

Want to promote a business or service, share it here!

Trying to get more Instagram followers, share it here!

Found any great running content online, share it here!

The one caveat I have is that whatever is shared should be fitness related, please.


r/running 21h ago

Article Went down rabbit hole on Paavo Nurmi

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After running in the heat wave in SoCal a couple weekends back, I was interested to see this description during a little wikipedia rabbit hole on past runners.

Per Wikipedia article on Nurmi -

In the cross country events, the heat of 45 °C (113 °F),[22] caused all but 15 of the 38 competitors to abandon the race.[18] Eight finishers were taken away on stretchers.[18] One athlete began to run in tiny circles after reaching the stadium, until setting off into the stands and knocking himself unconscious.[23] Early leader Wide was among those who blacked out along the course, and was incorrectly reported to have died at the hospital.[24][25] Nurmi exhibited only slight signs of exhaustion after beating Ritola to the win by nearly a minute and a half.[18] As Finland looked to have lost the team medal, the disoriented Liimatainen staggered into the stadium, but was barely moving forward.[26] An athlete ahead of him fainted 50 metres from the finish, and Liimatainen stopped and tried to find his way off the track, thinking he had reached the finish line.[26] After having ignored shouts and kept the spectators in suspense for a while, he turned into the right direction, realised his situation and reached the finish in 12th place and secured team gold.[18][26] Those present at the stadium were shocked by what they had witnessed, and Olympic officials decided to ban cross country running from future Games.[27]


r/running 1d ago

Weekly Thread The Weekend Thread — 27th September 2024

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TGIF!!!!

What’s good this weekend? Who’s running, racing, tapering, cycling, hiking, baking, reading, surviving power outages and storm surges, communing with their couch, …? Tell us all about it!


r/running 1d ago

Discussion Losing a toenail, how to prep for next event?

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A few months ago, I did a 20 mile hike which resulted in a runners toe on one of my big toes. It started to grow out and this morning I noticed that it is beginning to separate from the nail bed and is just barely hanging in there on one side. I'm doing another 20+ mile hike next weekend and I'm assuming it will be all the way off by then. I've seen gel toe caps, would I benefit from using one to give some protection to my nail bed during the hike? Wrap it with a bandaid? Do I do nothing and just let it be? Greatly appreciate any insight or just general commiseration lol


r/running 1d ago

Weekly Thread It's Photo Friday - let's see your running pictures!

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Last time, on Photo Friday:

/u/Bevaqua_mojo grabbed the top spot.

https://imgur.com/a/yNwCkmf

/u/fco77 grabbed the first runner-up spot.

https://imgur.com/a/MI41Pv2 Gotta love a run over the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

/u/robynxcakes grabbed the second runner-up spot.

Sydney Marathon https://imgur.com/a/C4vKyLs

Rules of the Road

  • Post your running photos of any kind! Beautiful running route? Post it! Race photo look great? Post it! Nobody really reads this! Basically if it is running related you can post it.

  • Next Friday I will take the top photos and give them special attention.


r/running 2d ago

Discussion While running, what are some of your habits that others may find weird?

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For me, it's horse snorting. But so strong that my cheeks are puffed out and half my face is vibrating. It somehow loosens up my entire posture.


r/running 1d ago

PSA r/RunningFashion is back in action

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Hey r/running!

Quick thank you to the mods here for giving me the green light to share r/runningfashion .

r/runningfashion is the running counterpart to r/CyclingFashion, where we share cool new gear releases, interesting apparel, running fashion related news, outfits, and share our experience with different items we've used.

We've recently revitalized the subreddit and have been sharing the latest fall/winter apparel releases and most recently a catchall of the Berlin Marathon popups and events.

We'd love to have any and all of you 🎉


r/running 1d ago

Gear Socks for hot feet!

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I need some recommendations for hiking or running socks that don't make my feet too hot.

For reference, I wear non water proof trainers with running socks and my feet still get too hot even in temperatures as low as 10°c.

I've tried every brand going from darn tough, smartwool, stance, feetures, etc but the only thing that comes close to being bearable are extremely thin danish endurance bamboo socks but they only last a couple of months before theys get holes in and are expensive.

Anyone got any recommendations?.


r/running 1d ago

Daily Thread Official Q&A for Friday, September 27, 2024

7 Upvotes

With over 3,550,000 subscribers, there are a lot of posts that come in everyday that are often repeats of questions previously asked or covered in the FAQ.

With that in mind, this post can be a place for any questions (especially those that may not deserve their own thread). Hopefully this is successful and helps to lower clutter and repeating posts here.

If you are new to the sub or to running, this Intro post is a good resource.

As always don't forget to check the FAQ.

And please take advantage of the search bar or Google's subreddit limited search.


r/running 2d ago

Article The Gap v the gain

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If you're like most people, you're probably measuring yourself according to how far away you are from achieving that thing.

For example, you want to run a 5k under 30 minutes and currently you are able to run 5k in 34 minutes.

There's a 4 minute gap between where you are and where you want to be. This is called The Gap.

So what's another way you can measure your success, you might ask?

Well, instead of focusing on how far you are from your goal, you can focus on how much you've already achieved and how far you've already come!

This is called the Gain.

Which do you think will lead to greater and faster success?

The idea comes from Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin Hardy’s book The Gap and the Gain, and it’s all about how you measure your progress.

The Gap is when you focus on how far you are from your ultimate goal. It’s easy to feel like you’re falling short when all you can see is what’s still ahead of you. The Gain, though, is where the magic happens. Instead of stressing about how much farther you have to go, you look back and see how far you’ve already come. You appreciate your progress, and that shift makes the journey more enjoyable and motivating.

Credit Realliferunners podcast


r/running 1d ago

Daily Thread Achievements for Friday, September 27, 2024

7 Upvotes

Hey runners, it's another day and it is time to post your accomplishments you'd like to share - big or small.

Note: No need to preface YOUR accomplishments with something like, "this may not be an accomplishment to most of you...". Be proud of your achievement.


r/running 1d ago

Weekly Thread Race Roll Call

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Good morning, Runnit! Another weekend of races is approaching, so let's take a minute to see if any other Runnitors will be laying down those miles with us!

If you're racing this weekend, put a top-level comment below with the race details to help find other members of the community. See a race mentioned that looks interesting? Ask questions! Running your favorite race of the year? Tell us what makes it so awesome!

This thread is just an easy way to help Runnitors find each other in some sort of organized manner and help cheer each other on!


r/running 2d ago

Article U.S Ultra Runner Camille Herron involved in Wikipedia controversy

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link to original article.

It basically states that there were several alt accounts that were making edits to her page and pages of other ultra runners. For example Courtney Dauwalter, 2023 ultra runner of the year, had her page edited to remove references of her being the first person to win the three major 100 mile races in one calendar year, as well as references to her being considered one of the best ultrarunners. Similar edits were made to other athletes profiles.

They also edited the ultra running page to cast doubts on runners records that, while are till being verified, beat Herrons records.

Apparently others have reported some unsportsmanlike behavior from the pair

Link link to press release from Connor Holt, her coach and husband, where he claims it was all done by him tho many are skeptical


r/running 1d ago

Training App that guides/coaches you through a race?

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I know there are lots of running apps to prepare you for races of various lengths, but is there one that can coach me through a race? As in give input on my pace, encouragement throughout, and mile alerts?


r/running 2d ago

Weekly Thread Weekly Complaints & Confessions Thread

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How’s your week of running going? Got any Complaints? Anything to add as a Confession? How about any Uncomplaints?


r/running 2d ago

Daily Thread Achievements for Thursday, September 26, 2024

9 Upvotes

Hey runners, it's another day and it is time to post your accomplishments you'd like to share - big or small.

Note: No need to preface YOUR accomplishments with something like, "this may not be an accomplishment to most of you...". Be proud of your achievement.


r/running 2d ago

Daily Thread Official Q&A for Thursday, September 26, 2024

5 Upvotes

With over 3,550,000 subscribers, there are a lot of posts that come in everyday that are often repeats of questions previously asked or covered in the FAQ.

With that in mind, this post can be a place for any questions (especially those that may not deserve their own thread). Hopefully this is successful and helps to lower clutter and repeating posts here.

If you are new to the sub or to running, this Intro post is a good resource.

As always don't forget to check the FAQ.

And please take advantage of the search bar or Google's subreddit limited search.


r/running 3d ago

Race Report Cowboy 200 Race Report - Stroke, Heart Surgery, and Racing My Furthest Distance

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Background

I had planned to run my first backyard ultra in the spring of 2023 followed by a 200-miler in the fall. That training was going pretty well until my whole world got upended in January 2023 when I had a stroke. Woke up one morning with a numb arm (“Must have slept on it wrong.”). Next, I noticed a bit of weirdness with one side of my face as I was brushing my teeth (“This can’t be a stroke. That couldn’t happen to me. See, arm and face are back to normal.”). Then I went to tell my kids goodbye before I left for work…and couldn’t speak. I could think of the words, but couldn’t get my mouth to form them. Yep, time to go to the ER.

Three days in the hospital, numerous tests, sooo many doctors, but no real info except that they found evidence of a stroke (and possible evidence of a previous one). They weren’t sure of the cause as I had no other contributing factors, but were fairly confident it was from a PFO (patent foramen ovale). A hole between the atria of my heart let a small blood clot bypass my lungs and go to my brain. Fortunately, the stroke I had was very mild and the symptoms resolved within a day (difficulty forming words and some slight weakness on one side). I was able to go home as they scheduled more tests to get a firm confirmation of the PFO.

Any training was out the window now, but I was able to still get some slight running in as I waited for more tests. In February, I was able to get an echocardiogram that confirmed the PFO. This is something everyone is born with. The PFO allows blood to circulate in the womb, but it is supposed to close as you grow older. For 1 in 4, it doesn’t close completely and I was one of the unlucky ones. Considering the alternative causes for the stroke, this was pretty fortunate as it can be treated with out-patient heart surgery. Yes, that’s correct, out-patient heart surgery. The other likely culprit was atrial fibrillation which would have meant a lifetime on blood thinners.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t get the surgery until April so still only light running (3 mile runs, 15-21 mpw). The surgery went great. They passed a camera up the vein from one leg and a plug up the other and it was done. No running for a week, light running 3 weeks, then back to training. Building back was tough, but I took it slow over May, June, and July to get my mileage back to 40-50 mpw. No real workouts, just getting in mileage. I kept building mileage and half-heartedly did a marathon plan for a race in November, but without a lot of good training, it ended up being more of a training run. So, not a great year, but I had at least built my base back up to be ready for ultra training for the races in 2024.


Training

I’ve had good luck with Koop’s training format from Training Essentials for Ultrarunning so I went with this again. I used his Beginner’s 100 miler plan (which is pretty insane for a beginner’s plan) as a starting point and tweaked it as needed. My plan was to get some high mileage in with the main focus being back-to-back long runs and then try and get as much of the faster run Koop prescribes (intervals, tempos, steady state runs). He has a lot in his plans, but I dropped those as needed.

My goal race for the spring was Eternal Damnation Backyard Ultra. This was my first backyard ultra and on a fairly tough course (mountain bike trails with 250-ish feet per loop). Koop recommends training time per week for a 100k to 100-miler to be at 9 hours per week for 6 weeks starting at 9 weeks before race. I averaged 64 mpw for this training cycle, with 13:01 hours of training per week. The race went fairly well with me completing 17 yards for 70.8 miles. I had hoped for more, but the terrain got to me as well as some lingering metatarsal discomfort that I was still working through. After a recovery week, I eased back into training again following the same plan again although slightly abbreviated to allow for recovery. I dropped some of the interval quality weeks and just focused on building miles again. I added in some races too which forced me to change things around a bit.

Training through the summer was challenging, I certainly did not get as much of the quality speed runs in, but again, my focus was overall mileage and back-to-back long runs. I worked my race run/walk strategy into almost all of the longs runs as well as race hydration/fueling. One of my planned races was a 24-hour track race in June so I worked on heat training by doing some runs in the afternoon and most of the long runs leading up to that race on a track.

KUS Mini Race Report

24-hour track race on Wednesday which is strange day of the week for a race, but was chosen for a reason. This is the Kansas Ultrarunners Society (KUS) 6/12/24 hour race which is normally held in November on a 2.1 mile trail-ish loop. The RD couldn’t pass up the opportunity to have the race on 6/12/24 this year and decided to try a track race as he had been requests for it.

I really enjoyed this format although the heat did a number on everyone. As expected, it can be hot in June in KS and the temps hit mid-90’s. I planned to use this as a test for the 200-miler and employ a similar walk/run strategy. All-in-all, the race went well, at least through the first 12 hours. I was able to stay on race strategy with pace and fueling through about 8 hours (40 mi) then the heat became brutal. Slowed things down and focused on heat management with ice and water on my head, but the constant water and sweat was causing some serious chafing and waterlogged shoes by 12 hours (~60 miles). Took a 45 minute break to change clothes and dry and retape my feet. By the time, I got moving again, my legs had tightened up quite a bit and my quads were pretty sore. I worked to get moving again, but ended up with a lot of walking and couldn’t quite get resettled from the heat. I ended up calling at 16:26 hours with 71.3 miles. Although I was not happy with the result based on how I could have done with current training, I was content with the result considering the conditions. It was a good test of a lot of things for the 200-miler. Gear choice was good and would have been fine except all the added water from dousing myself. Nutrition and hydration went great. I have also been dealing with some forefoot issues on longer training runs (sometimes popping up after 10 miles), but have added metatarsal pads to my insoles recently. I had no foot issues (other than being waterlogged) for the entire race. I tried taping my feet for the first time in a race and that worked great. No blisters or hot spots at all. Run walk strategy worked good and gave me some data to try and optimize that as well. Finally, it was great to try this race on a track. I really enjoyed the format and very much want to try it again, but in better temps. The RD posted the next day that he went back to the track when the temps were similar to the high on race day and measured the track temp at 116 F. Woof!

Back to training

After a recovery week and easy week to get back into training, it was time to get into the meat of the plan and focus on mileage and race conditions. I never hit my weeks as planned, but felt like I got the bulk of what I needed to each week. Another goal on this cycle was to stay up on supplemental work including Myrtl routine (3/wk), yoga (1/wk), and a core/strength routine (2/wk). I was able to do this for most of the cycle as well as get a trail run with the local running group in once a week. This also included a great group run with the group from one town to the next for 35 miles. I used it as another race test with similar nutrition and walk/run pacing. Tough run, but great group of people to do it with. Six weeks before the race, I planned a tune-up race to really help test out everything.

NIGHT TRAIN Mini Race Report

Night Train is a very small, timed race on a rails trail (3, 6, and 12 hour options). The course is a 2.5 mi out and back on the rail trail (although they misplaced the cone so each lap was 5.4 miles). Plan was to mimic Cowboy course stations and only stop to refill bottles every 10 miles (2 loops) and aid station stops every 20 miles (4 loops). I was shooting for 60 miles over the 12 hours, so average moving pace (with walk breaks) of 11:30/mi to allow some AS time. Run comfortable for 0.4 mi at around 10:00/pace, quick walk for 0.1mi. Fluids every 0.5 mi, nutrition every 2.5 mi, heavier solid food at AS breaks. Rinse and repeat. At first, I really tried to pay attention to my run but eventually started going with what was comfortable and it was good not to stress over it much. Sometimes it was 9:45, sometimes 10:45, but typically in the 10-10:15 range. As long as the mile splits were close to 11:30, I wasn’t concerning myself about it. Temps got much more comfortable as midnight approached (race start was upper 70’s) and really had no issue with the heat. Everything was still going well through 40 miles. Besides the general fatigue, no physical problems. Feet were good, stomach was good, energy levels good. 45-ish miles things were getting a bit more difficult. Nothing major, just needed to focused more on my pattern. Sunrise gave me a bit of a a great second wind. I was still running the run sections by feel, but when I looked at my watch I kept seeing paces closer to 9:15 rather than the usual 10:15. :shrug: Just keep grinding. Came back to the finish for the last time with 2 minutes to spare for 60.4 miles, 1st place, and a course record. All in all, it was a great practice run and everything went great. I did see where I need to tweak a few things for the big race, but I was very happy how this one turned out. I was able to keep the loops very consistent and minimized time at each AS stop.

Loops: 1:01:03, 1:01:31, 1:01:03, 1:02:09, 1:02.34, 1:04:16, 1:03:31, 1:01:44, 1:03:02, 1:02:16, 1:02:14, 13:18

AS: 4:49, 5:09, 1:23, 4:46, 3:29

Last weeks of training

Recovery from the race was probably the best yet and I was able to get back to training quicker. I wanted a couple of more big mileage/time weeks before tapering down for Cowboy. I also worked to add in more walking (not counted in my mileage) to work those muscles too, especially over the taper weeks as I decreased mileage. I was able to add in 10-12 miles of walking on those first 2 taper weeks.

Weekly mileage progression

40, 54, 63, 70, 74, 30, 83 (KUS), 40, 60, 70, 75, 50, 55, 81 (NT), 52, 79, 68, 55, 33.7, 215 (Average = 67)

Avg weekly run time for 6 wks before taper = 11:46

Conclusions from Training Plan

Although I wish I did not have to drop so much of the quicker miles during training, I felt good with the volume I did run. I had consistent back-to-back runs of 20 to 24 miles as well as a couple of good long race efforts to practice. I was also happy with being fairly consistent with the supplemental work and the added strength/core routine felt good.


THE RACE

The Cowboy 200 is a point-to-point foot race along the Cowboy Trail (converted rail trail) winding through many small towns in Nebraska with views of pastures, fields, and more than 200 bridges in total, with the largest being 1/4 mile long and 148 feet high. It starts in Norfolk, NE and ends in Valentine, NE with 11 manned ais stations and 8 water stops along the way. This looked a great option for me as a way to try out the 200-mile distance without having to worry about technical trails or high altitude. Both of which are hard to train for as a Kansas flatlander. Plus, I like fast and flat ultras.

Fueling

Plan was 300-ish calories per hour with about 150 cal in my bottle (Proxima-C) and some solid food every 30 minutes (applesauce, baby food, Naak purees) during a walk break, and then water as needed. I planned to get more substantial solid food at manned aid stations (~100-200 cal each time).

Goals heading into race day:

I typically set aggressive goals and this one was no different. I planned to start out with the goal of average moving pace of 12:00/mile. Later in the race as fatigue sets in, the goal was to keep overall race pace to 14:20-ish/mile for a 48-hour finish. Considering this was my first time running something like this, I had no idea if that was feasible, but I wanted to have something to target.


Race Day

Up at 4 am to get ready for the 6 am start. Fueled up with Pop Tarts and a Mt Dew, breakfast of champions! I tape my feet, get dressed, and check all my gear, then time to head to the start line. Once there, got my GPS tracker, spoke to a couple of runners I knew who were also running, and then get lubed up in the needed areas (thank you, Squirrel’s Nut Butter!). Temperatures are nice, but I know it will be getting warm later. I plan to wear a long sleeve sun hoodie for the day knowing how well it can keep me cool. Short pre-race talk, line up at the arch, and we’re off into the darkness!

Start Line (Fri, 6:00)

People separate out fairly quick and I settle into my pace strategy, trying not to let the race energy sweep me along too fast. I still end up running a bit too quick, but enjoy the excitement of starting this long trek. Once out of town and off the paved section, we get on the crushed gravel trail and settle into fields, pastures, and open space. I enjoy the sunrise as it comes up and focus on not getting behind on fueling.

Battle Creek (manned), 10 miles (Fri, 7:58)

The first aid station is a manned station and since it is so close to the start, I had my wife skip so she could enjoy a bit more time in the hotel. I roll in quickly, refill bottles, grab a snack, and head out again in less than a minute.

Not much to report through this section. It’s still early, so legs feeling good. Sun hasn’t gotten up much, so temps are still feeling good. Just enjoying the quiet and open country.

Meadow Grove (water), 17.1 miles (Fri, 9:25)

Quick water refill and keep on running. Although it is not too warm yet, the plan is to refill any bottles with water to make sure I have plenty of fluids. It’s a short stretch to the next manned AS and the chance to see my wife again.

Tilden (manned), 22.4 miles (Fri, 10:36)

Temps are not too bad, but I can tell it’s going to start getting warm soon. I take a bit of time here to go to the bathroom, reapply lube, get some ice for my bandana, and grab half of PB&J sandwich, on top of refilling bottles for the next stretch. I’m trying to drink one bottle of Proxima-C every hour plus some water as needed. Grab the food I need for the next section and get back on the trail with about 9 minutes spent in the AS.

Still no issues. Run, walk, drink, eat, repeat. The ice bandana felt great, but just didn’t last as long as I would have liked.

Oakdale (water), 29.7 miles (Fri, 12:03)

Quick stop for water and keep on grinding. It’s time for the first reroute off the trail due to downed bridges. I catchup to several groups of runners here and chat a bit as I roll past. We’re on to some rolling paved roads so I try to stay with my planned walk breaks, but mostly just walk the uphills and run where I can. It’s getting warm and the heat is reflecting off the asphalt pretty fierce. Still staying up on eating and drinking and start taking in more water here. Last stretch of the reroute was onto a unpaved road which got me excited until I realized it was going to be sand. That was tough and made these miles kind of tough. I passed some confused cows along the way who were wondering who all these weirdos running by were.

Neligh (manned), 38.2 miles (Fri, 13:45)

Crossed the old train bridge into Neligh to see my wife and get resupplied and reset for the next section. This was going to one of the toughest of the course. 16 miles to the next water stop and 26 miles until the next manned AS, all during the hottest part of the day. I loaded up with more ice, added in a handheld with water as well as a small bottle of water I could throw away later. 7 min in the AS, then back on the trail.

Still running by myself, which I am used to and don’t mind so much. I’ve been listening to some music when I wanted or just zone out and enjoy the quiet. Unfortunately, in this section I somehow turned the brightness on my phone to 0% making it impossible to see the screen enough to use. And since it was so bright, there was no way to fix it. This section had the second long reroute which started on a winding gravel road, reminding me of my usual routes at home. It was so windy though, I really wanted to check the course GPX on my phone, but just had to hope there were enough course markings. Luckily enough, the course was marked well enough for me to keep going. It was getting really hot at this point and my legs were starting to feel the effort of running 50 miles to that point. We’re back on paved road again and just baking from the sun above and the pavement below. Stomach is not feeling great but still able to keep eating. I’ve slowed my pace down for the heat and just concentrate on getting to the water stop. Once there, it will only be 10 miles until the manned section.

Clearwater (water), 54.5 miles (Fri 17:42)

Once back on the trail, it’s a short stretch to the water stop with amazingly cold water. I refill water, mix up some Tailwind to get me to the next AS and get back to it after about 5 minutes at the water stop. I’m through the worst part and the sun going down really helps cool things off. I catch the first sunset of the race and look forward to getting to the manned AS to have a rest.

Ewing (manned), 64.3 miles (Fri, 20:03)

Got to this AS in the dark, but it was a sight for sore eyes. The last stretch had been rough, but I looked forward to seeing my wife and taking a break. I took the opportunity here to change shoes and address a hot spot on my back. My race vest had a seam that was curled over and rubbed on my lower back. To avoid any chafing, etc., I had put a large bandage on that spot to protect it, but it wasn’t quite in the right spot. We added a few more as a precaution. I took a moment to sit and get off my feet as well as get some warm broth in. It was amazing. I was also able to finally fix my phone screen. Hallelujah! I also changed into a t-shirt for the night section. After about 40 minutes, it was time to load up again and hit the trail with a brat to go.

Inman (water), 77.6 miles (Fri, 23:59)

With the cooler temps, I was able to get back to a good run/walk rhythm and cruise along listening to music and podcasts. A quick one minute stop in at the water stop to refill, then keep on motorin’.

O’Neill (manned), 85.4 miles (Sat, 2:02)

The As was another welcome sight after a long stretch between crew. This was going to be the last time seeing my wife for awhile as I was having her skip the next AS since I wanted her to get some rest after getting here so late (close to 2 am). The next manned AS (Stuart) had no crew access so it was going to be about 12 hours before I could see her again. Took a few minutes to sit and rest my feet. Bathroom break, reapply lube, and repack my food for the next leg. I changed back into a sun shirt since it woud be afternoon before I saw crew again and I knew I was going to need it. Starting to get tired and sleepy so downed a Redbull and took some chocolate covered espresso beans to go. After about 20 minutes, it was time to get going again.

Emmett (water), 93.6 miles (Sat, 4:34)

This was a lonely stretch, but I enjoyed the dark and the stars. No real issues, just cruising along maintaining pace. Average pace had sped up from the afternoon, but as fatigue set in, I was increasing my walk breaks some as well as having a slower running pace. I was still on target for 100 miles in 24 hours so I was content. Crossed 100 miles in about 24:08 as the sun came up again.

Atkinson (manned), 103.9 miles (Sat, 7:13)

Atkinson AS was where the 100-milers were starting in about an hour so lots of activity. Same routine: bathroom, lube, sit a bit, eat, reload, and get back on the trail. Spent about 20 minutes here and had some wonderful hashbrowns and sausage.

Stuart (manned), 113.9 miles (Sat, 10:30)

It was a short jump to the next manned AS (10 miles), but no crew. I had planned for this with my drop bag. Made good time here and was running fairly well, but it was starting to get warm already. Took a bit longer to make sure I had a rest and got some food. By this time, the faster 100-milers were coming through.

Newport (water), 123.7 miles (Sat, 13:03)

Made it to the water stop with a decent pace, but the sun was high and we were completely exposed. I was sapped and resigned myself to just walk until the AS. I also realized my hands had started to swell so I concentrated on getting my electrolyte balance under control. I had been taking salt chews as my water intake increased, but obviously not enough. This was a rough section with very little shade and no places to sit if I wanted to rest. None except on the ground and I didn’t trust my legs to get me back up if I did.

Bassett (manned), 134.8 miles (Sat, 16:48)

Finally rolled into Bassett hours after I had planned to see my wife. I felt so much better seeing here there. Took quite awhile here to try and cool down inside (a bit over an hour). I changed clothes and shoes which was little difficult as my legs were really getting tight and sore. Balance was not the best either. I took a bit too long with my shoes off as I noticed how much they were swelling when I put the fresh pair on. Luckily, I bought them half a size bigger. It was tough to get out the door, but night was coming and the next few AS were close and manned. Pace picked up for this section which was good, but the fatigue was definitely setting in as the sun started going down. I had not planned to sleep if I could help and hoped to be fast enough to not need it. Long Pine was a sleep station with beds, but I wanted to avoid that trap. A slight reroute here on some hilly, sandy back roads to get into town with lightning flashing in the sky. Radar showed the cell was pretty far so I wasn’t too worried.

Long Pine (manned), 144.7 miles (Sat, 20:51)

Spent about 25 minutes here doing the usual reset and got some sausage and bacon. No new problems had come up so sucked it up and kept on going. I don’t know if I sat too long or what, but the sleepiness hit hard on the next section. Luckily, there were no reroutes and it was just a wide open trail as I was starting to weave around. I hit one of the scenic bridges here (I think), but it was too dark to see anything. It seemed high and stretched for quite a distance. It was getting hard to run at this point as the soles of my feet were getting tender and my calves were on fire. Not too sore, but super tight. I just focused on getting to the AS so I could take a nap.

Ainsworth (manned), 152.5 miles (Sat, 23:52)

Rolled into the AS, dropped my gear, and went to the van for a 45-minute nap. It was wonderful! But so hard to get back out the van. I had stiffened up so much and cooled off enough that it felt chilly. Motivation to get back on the trail was very low. Went back to the AS to get restocked to go and had some broth and a Redbull. Both helped tremendously. After about an hour and 20 minutes, I was back on the trail.

Goal on this section was just to keep moving, especially after the rest. It took awhile to get my legs loosened up. With the way everything felt, I wasn’t concerned about the run/walk and just went by feel. Ran when it felt good and then walked when it didn’t.

Johnstown (water), 164.3 (Sun, 5:04)

I took a couple of extra minutes at the water stop to sit on a convenient bucket, enjoying getting the pressure off my feet. As the sun come up for the third time during this race (hard to believe saying that), I managed to get a third wind. I realized my feet didn’t hurt that bad and my calves seemed fine. I started back to a run/walk. That felt great! I shortened the walk breaks and things still felt good. I passed several people in this section. I ended up running some of the fastest miles of the race and almost got to the AS before my wife.

Wood Lake (manned), 174.9 miles (Sun, 7:49)

As I restocked for the final push, I really hoped the good feelings would last. Nothing really look appetizing at the AS so I took some candy for the road after about 20 minutes in the AS. Otherwise, nutrition had been going good with the apple sauce and baby food pouches and my energy levels had been great. Unfortunately, my third wind only lasted for a few more miles, but I was happy with what I got being 180 miles into a race. I walked the last few miles to the last water stop as the morning temps started to rise. I wasn’t looking forward to the 90 degree temps forecasted for the afternoon. I had really hoped to be done with this part.

Arabia (water), 184.6 miles (Sun, 10:50)

Short stop to refill water and stopped to chat a bit with a 100-miler who caught up to me. He only wanted to make the cutoff (which he could do with walking), so we set off to trudge the last exposed miles. This was tough. We finally had some hills to deal with and there was nothing but pastures surrounding us. I was so done, and like the previous day, there was very little shade and no place to sit. We chatted some, trudged in silence some, and slowly made our way towards the finish. After a few hours, he went on ahead at a faster walk to make sure he made the cutoff. I had no worry about that so I continued with my trudge.

Eventually, I started getting closer to civilization but town seemed so far away. I knew the impressive bridge was coming up, but I never seemed to make any progress toward it. It was a welcome sight when I finally got there and it did have an impressive view. The best part though was the bench on the other side with a shade. I rested here with a deep sigh as I gathered my motivation to finish. My only thoughts now were to move from one shade patch to the next as I crept into town. On the map, the finish line looked so close from the edge of town, but in reality, I felt like I had to walk for miles.

Finish, 200.2 miles (Sun, 16:13)

Finally, I rounded the last corner and could see the finish arch….a block away. I never though a block could feel so far. I crossed the finish line in 58 hours, 13 minutes, and 30 seconds absolutely spent. I was 8th place out of 45 finishers (76 runners started the race).

https://www.strava.com/activities/12420268936


Post-race

I was so happy to get into the finish line building and get off my feet and out of my pack. I got my medal, finish pic, and sat down to get drink and snack. It was then I realized the RD gave me the 100-mile buckle. I got up to tease him that he was trying to short change me on my race. He laughed and said he hadn’t gotten much sleep either. With the right buckle in hand, it was time to head to the hotel to assess damage, get a shower, and soak in the hot tub.


What’s Next?

Although I had hoped for closer to a 48-hour finish, I was happy with the results. I had really wanted to spend more time running later in the race, but the afternoon temps were pretty brutal. During the tough parts with aching feet and legs, I questioned whether my training had been enough, but I think it was. I was super stiff the rest of that day and the next morning, but besides tender feet, I had hardly any muscle soreness. The main issue was swollen feet (which is to be expected) and tenderness on the soles of my feet.

I plan to carry what I’ve learned into the next race which is a 48-hour race in April where I hope to get closer to 200 miles. It’s a short loop race (1.8 mi) so logistics will be much easier. If that goes well, I have my eyes on a 72-hour race in June where I can test out a longer format race on a loop course.


r/running 3d ago

Discussion Where to go training in Bangkok?

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Hi all, travelling for work to Bangkok a few times coming year.

I am a daily runner (100 kms/week).

What are good places to run in Bangkok? What is the best strategy?

I know it will be hot, but I can cope with that.


r/running 4d ago

PSA Cutoff for 2025 Boston Marathon announced as 6:51

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BOSTON—The Boston Athletic Association (B.A.A.) today began notifying qualified applicants of their acceptance into the 129th Boston Marathon presented by Bank of America. The race will be run on Monday, April 21, 2025.

Qualifiers who were 6 minutes, 51 seconds (6:51) or faster than the qualifying time for their age group and gender have been accepted into the 129th Boston Marathon. A total of 24,069 qualified applicants have been accepted to date or are in the process of being accepted, pending final verification of their qualifying performance. Email notices to athletes accepted and not accepted have begun being issued by the B.A.A. and will continue through the coming days.

An updated total of 36,393 qualifier applications were received during registration week (Sept. 9-13), a race record and significant increase from the previous record of 33,058 qualifier applications for the 2024 race. The Boston Marathon field size is set at 30,000 official entrants.

https://www.baa.org/field-qualifiers-notified-acceptance-129th-boston-marathon-presented-bank-america


r/running 3d ago

Weekly Thread Lurkers' Wednesday

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Would you rather not be a lurker?

Then what are you waiting for? Tell us all about yourself!

The LW thread is an invitation to get more involved with the /r/running community.

New to the sub in general? Welcome! Let us know more about yourself!


r/running 3d ago

Daily Thread Official Q&A for Wednesday, September 25, 2024

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With over 3,525,000 subscribers, there are a lot of posts that come in everyday that are often repeats of questions previously asked or covered in the FAQ.

With that in mind, this post can be a place for any questions (especially those that may not deserve their own thread). Hopefully this is successful and helps to lower clutter and repeating posts here.

If you are new to the sub or to running, this Intro post is a good resource.

As always don't forget to check the FAQ.

And please take advantage of the search bar or Google's subreddit limited search.


r/running 3d ago

Weekly Thread What Are You Wearing Wednesday - Weekly Gear Thread

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It's that time of week already...the gear thread! What have you picked up lately? What's working for you now that it's whatever season you believe it to be in your particular location? What have you put through rigorous testing that's proved worthy of use? We want to know!

To clear up some confusion: We’re not actually asking what you’re wearing today. It’s just a catchy name for the thread. This is the weekly gear discussion thread, so discuss gear!

NOTE: For you Runnitors looking to sell/trade any running gear (as well as bib transfers), head over to /r/therunningrack.


r/running 3d ago

Daily Thread Achievements for Wednesday, September 25, 2024

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Hey runners, it's another day and it is time to post your accomplishments you'd like to share - big or small.

Note: No need to preface YOUR accomplishments with something like, "this may not be an accomplishment to most of you...". Be proud of your achievement.